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Moussa Dembele
Topic Started: 28 Jun 2016, 11:59 AM (860,341 Views)
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Ste
24 Jan 2018, 11:33 AM
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24 Jan 2018, 11:29 AM
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24 Jan 2018, 11:19 AM

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Questioning the professionalism of our management team ffs :lol:
Do you think they've handled the situation well? :ponder:

It's clear they haven't. They aren't above criticism ffs.
I'm not saying they're above criticism, but you can't question their professionalism, when we're not privy to the details.

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24 Jan 2018, 11:31 AM
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This is where the disconnect comes in for me; why are you assuming that the management team are lying?

Dembele has been accused of something and if it's untrue, then he'd have every right to come out and deny it. Simple post on social media, for example.

"I want to stay here".

Done.

If you know something I don't then fair enough, but to me it's bizarre that you're supporting a player who hasn't denied the accusation thrown at him, and instead are calling the management team liars.
I'm not calling them liars - I think the way they've handled the situation has been disgraceful. Rodgers talks about protecting his players - and even said this when talking about Dembele - but the reality of the situation is that him and Davies have done more harm than protection.

Dembele's opinion seems to be that he is happy to stay at Celtic - not necessarily that he wants to stay. I think in an ideal world for him he'd be playing at Chelsea or something and pushing to get in the France squad for the world cup. Going public to discuss his situation when he probably doesnt feel the need to would be stupid.
If they're not liars then surely they're telling the truth?

If Dembele's opinion is as you say not necessarily that he wants to stay, to me that means he wants to leave; again, backing up what CD said. No harm to the guy, he did well last year and I am grateful for that, but if he wants to go then I'd rather he went. The management team saying that he wants to go is fine, if it happens to be the truth. It's baffling to accuse them of being unprofessional; what evidence is there of that being the case?

You're also avoiding the issue here; either Dembele wants to stay or wants to leave. The whole "happy to stay but really I want to leave" thing isn't good enough. You burst a gut when you're here, until you don't want to be here. I don't want players at the club who are coasting, which is exactly what your scenario describes.
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How can anyone have an opinion on the professionalism or otherwise of the management without knowing what's going on behind closed doors?

I'm sure Brendan and Chris Davies know a bit more about what is going on than Chris Sutton or anyone on here.
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24 Jan 2018, 10:36 AM
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24 Jan 2018, 10:35 AM
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24 Jan 2018, 10:19 AM
Looks like we've thrown him under a bus. There's also a few rumours going about the dressing room.

Went in early last night and watched Moussa warming up. Obviously he's a sub but he was always on the edge of the group. Particularly at half time when the subs were doing sprints he was on his own behind the group. I'd go as far as to say it looked like he's been ostracised.

Very disappointed in how Celtic are handling this.
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How have we hung him out to dry?

Chris Sutton (whom I like as he sticks up for the club more often than not) was talking utter rubbish last night " I hear he does not want to leave etc..." How the feck does he know what was said and done behind closed door s and is happening. Really was nonsense from him.

Chris Davies was asked a question and replied " He has inidicated he wants to leave...." So what its the truth now the scene is set for his agent to get him a club he fanices and for us to get as big a fee as possible.

Dembele all season has been far from the player of last season. The club and the management are 100% doing the right thing by the club. He is going to go in the next week or so...Davies asked a question and he answered it.

Time to get rid & move on.

You played brilliantly for 12 months Moussa thank & goodbye.
Mikey and Arabba both said pretty much the same as Sutton.

Anyone whos been on the forum longer than a day knows that the two of them have solid sources. :thumbsup:
even paul brennan doesnt seem to be disagreeing with sutton

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Trying so hard not to get drawn in to transfer window nonsense but our old pal Chris Sutton got the better of me last night on BT Sport. He has been assured Moussa is happy to stay at Celtic this window (presumably by the player himself, or his agent), so concludes that somehow Chris Davies is undermining the player by suggesting he is not playing due to transfer speculation around him.

I have not spoken to Moussa’s agent but I have heard lots about him. He is thoroughly professional and if Chris Sutton did manage to get a word from him, he is likely to have been 100% on-message. There have been no amateur dramatics from Moussa’s side, but that doesn’t mean the world and Own Coyle’s auntie doesn’t want to sign him.

January is famously a rubbish month to sign players, so if anyone wants to acquire Moussa, Celtic will hold out for top price. The same is true for our signing targets. Brendan has significant funds to spend, but the last thing he needs is to load the squad with more of the same.

When the manager arrived 18 months ago, improving results was a fairly straightforward proposition. Now, after twice qualifying for the Champions League and winning all four domestic trophies available to him, the job of improving Celtic is considerably more difficult. These are the joys of planning for successive trebles and a third consecutive season of Champions League football.

We are a week away from the window closing and the ball is in play, but you will not receive a bling hit this month, just to keep everyone happy. We will do the right deals or no deal, like it, or, express mild frustration, followed by a cognitive alignment indicating acceptance of the inherent wisdom. Or just lump it.

Being able to hold your nerve is another joy of planning for a successive treble.
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24 Jan 2018, 11:47 AM
either Dembele wants to stay or wants to leave.
not as simple as that it is?

seems like he is happy to stay and reject a move to poor club but would be up for leaving if he gets a really good offer from a good team. thats the same for everyone at the club including the manager with the possible exception of kt and broony
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Something's clearly not right. Either himself and his agent are trying to engineer a move away and the club are aware of it or the club are trying to engineer his move for him.

His recent injury record, comments from the management team, as well as BR's demeanour in the press room last week all give the whiff of something going on in the background.

I think it was MICK3Y in another thread who posted it may be that the board have told BR that he can't go for his top targets, unless MD is sold to cover the costs. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were some truth in that, as it smacks of typical Lawell.

Maybe his frostiness towards the media last week, was a warning shot to the board and not the long overdue put down to the press that some suggested it was.
Edited by dazabhoy67, 24 Jan 2018, 11:57 AM.
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24 Jan 2018, 11:25 AM

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I'm not calling them liars - I think the way they've handled the situation has been disgraceful. Rodgers talks about protecting his players - and even said this when talking about Dembele - but the reality of the situation is that him and Davies have done more harm than protection.

Dembele's opinion seems to be that he is happy to stay at Celtic - not necessarily that he wants to stay. I think in an ideal world for him he'd be playing at Chelsea or something and pushing to get in the France squad for the world cup. Going public to discuss his situation when he probably doesnt feel the need to would be stupid.
If they're not liars then surely they're telling the truth?

If Dembele's opinion is as you say not necessarily that he wants to stay, to me that means he wants to leave; again, backing up what CD said. No harm to the guy, he did well last year and I am grateful for that, but if he wants to go then I'd rather he went. The management team saying that he wants to go is fine, if it happens to be the truth. It's baffling to accuse them of being unprofessional; what evidence is there of that being the case?

You're also avoiding the issue here; either Dembele wants to stay or wants to leave. The whole "happy to stay but really I want to leave" thing isn't good enough. You burst a gut when you're here, until you don't want to be here. I don't want players at the club who are coasting, which is exactly what your scenario describes.
They heaped even more pressure and media attention on Dembele with their comments. Gave sections of our support the sound bytes they needed to justify their mental opinions. It was stupid.

Every player who comes through our door - with exceptions for people like KT - should never see Celtic as the pinaccle of their career. They should all be looking to improve and continue their progression to the top of the game. This is the same for every other club in the world that's name isn't Man United, Barcelona or Real Madrid. There is no harm in players wanting to play at a higher level and it certainty doesn't mean we should hound them out the door if they make the management aware of this.

I'm not avoiding the issue at all. The issue is just a bit more complex than "you want to be here or you dont".

The fact that posters who are claiming to know people who know Dembele are saying that he doesn't want to leave Celtic to go to clubs like Southampton etc is quite telling on how he feels. We spend years moaning about our best players going to teams like that and when one of them doesnt sound interested in it we try and force him out the door.
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either Dembele wants to stay or wants to leave.
not as simple as that it is?

seems like he is happy to stay and reject a move to poor club but would be up for leaving if he gets a really good offer from a good team. thats the same for everyone at the club including the manager with the possible exception of kt and broony
Everyone at the club? Completely disagree. No one else at the club has been constantly linked with a move away to a "bigger team" in the way Dembele has been; his situation is different to everybody else.

Although I take the point that he might want to go to a bigger team than has come in for him and is happy to wait it out, while the club would rather he left so they can pocket the cash, I can't accept his side of the argument as long as his level is below what's expected, and for me his level has dropped this season. That's not good enough.

Ultimately, I don't care where MD wants to go in the future, I care about what's best for the club.
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if Dembele is angling for a move then it makes sense to keep him out of the team?
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24 Jan 2018, 11:54 AM
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24 Jan 2018, 11:47 AM
either Dembele wants to stay or wants to leave.
not as simple as that it is?

seems like he is happy to stay and reject a move to poor club but would be up for leaving if he gets a really good offer from a good team. thats the same for everyone at the club including the manager with the possible exception of kt and broony
Everyone at the club? Completely disagree. No one else at the club has been constantly linked with a move away to a "bigger team" in the way Dembele has been; his situation is different to everybody else.

Although I take the point that he might want to go to a bigger team than has come in for him and is happy to wait it out, while the club would rather he left so they can pocket the cash, I can't accept his side of the argument as long as his level is below what's expected, and for me his level has dropped this season. That's not good enough.

Ultimately, I don't care where MD wants to go in the future, I care about what's best for the club.
thats down to his ability and potential which the majority of our players dont have though.

if the rest were good enough itd be the same story if not worse with some just wanting to chase the cash at the first chance
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24 Jan 2018, 11:57 AM
The fact that posters who are claiming to know people who know Dembele are saying that he doesn't want to leave Celtic to go to clubs like Southampton etc is quite telling on how he feels. We spend years moaning about our best players going to teams like that and when one of them doesnt sound interested in it we try and force him out the door.
Point taken RE not being black and white, but if you want to stay here until "something better comes along", then you'd better be running yourself into the ground trying to help the side. I don't see that from MD at all, he looks like he's waiting for a better offer and just doing what he considers enough on the park.
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Everyone at the club? Completely disagree. No one else at the club has been constantly linked with a move away to a "bigger team" in the way Dembele has been; his situation is different to everybody else.

Although I take the point that he might want to go to a bigger team than has come in for him and is happy to wait it out, while the club would rather he left so they can pocket the cash, I can't accept his side of the argument as long as his level is below what's expected, and for me his level has dropped this season. That's not good enough.

Ultimately, I don't care where MD wants to go in the future, I care about what's best for the club.
thats down to his ability and potential which the majority of our players dont have though.

if the rest were good enough itd be the same story if not worse with some just wanting to chase the cash at the first chance
But the rest, on the whole, aren't good enough. Therefore it's not the same situation. :thumbsup:
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if Dembele is angling for a move then it makes sense to keep him out of the team?
Maybe the manager thinks he's coasting and has decided enough is enough?
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24 Jan 2018, 11:57 AM
The fact that posters who are claiming to know people who know Dembele are saying that he doesn't want to leave Celtic to go to clubs like Southampton etc is quite telling on how he feels. We spend years moaning about our best players going to teams like that and when one of them doesnt sound interested in it we try and force him out the door.
Point taken RE not being black and white, but if you want to stay here until "something better comes along", then you'd better be running yourself into the ground trying to help the side. I don't see that from MD at all, he looks like he's waiting for a better offer and just doing what he considers enough on the park.
This is where I disagree though.

He goals to minute averages are better than any other striker at the club this season and he only really plays in the 'big' games. He's also done this whilst being plagued with injury.

So there needs to be a bit of balance between facts and opinions. Maybe he isn't exerting himself 100% because of his injury issues which is common in players coming back from thigh/hamstring injuries but his overall contribution is still there.
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24 Jan 2018, 11:57 AM
The fact that posters who are claiming to know people who know Dembele are saying that he doesn't want to leave Celtic to go to clubs like Southampton etc is quite telling on how he feels. We spend years moaning about our best players going to teams like that and when one of them doesnt sound interested in it we try and force him out the door.
Point taken RE not being black and white, but if you want to stay here until "something better comes along", then you'd better be running yourself into the ground trying to help the side. I don't see that from MD at all, he looks like he's waiting for a better offer and just doing what he considers enough on the park.
This is where I disagree though.

He goals to minute averages are better than any other striker at the club this season and he only really plays in the 'big' games. He's also done this whilst being plagued with injury.

Then we'll need to agree to disagree, because Aberdeen at Pittodrie apart, IMO he's been well off it this season (and not because he was injured).
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I just wish it was finished. Let's hope he does one of those instagram posts he's so fond of when he's away somewhere and people start crapping their knickers and it turns out he's actually signed for Sotuhapmton or Newcastle.
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I just wish it was finished. Let's hope he does one of those instagram posts he's so fond of when he's away somewhere and people start crapping their knickers and it turns out he's actually signed for Sotuhapmton or Newcastle.
Easy for you to say.
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I wonder if there are parallels between the Bobo Balde situation and Dembele. Both players who 'didn't want to move' find themselves on the bench.

In Balde's case, I think we went a year without a clean sheet and in the one game he got picked for we got a clean sheet. I don't think he was seen again. I don't believe that Strachan didn't want to pick him.

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The fact that posters who are claiming to know people who know Dembele are saying that he doesn't want to leave Celtic to go to clubs like Southampton etc is quite telling on how he feels. We spend years moaning about our best players going to teams like that and when one of them doesnt sound interested in it we try and force him out the door.
Point taken RE not being black and white, but if you want to stay here until "something better comes along", then you'd better be running yourself into the ground trying to help the side. I don't see that from MD at all, he looks like he's waiting for a better offer and just doing what he considers enough on the park.
This is where I disagree though.

He goals to minute averages are better than any other striker at the club this season and he only really plays in the 'big' games. He's also done this whilst being plagued with injury.

So there needs to be a bit of balance between facts and opinions. Maybe he isn't exerting himself 100% because of his injury issues which is common in players coming back from thigh/hamstring injuries but his overall contribution is still there.
Plagued with injuries doesn't exactly fit in with your no rotation plan, Moussa was your first choice I believe?
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This is where I disagree though.

He goals to minute averages are better than any other striker at the club this season and he only really plays in the 'big' games. He's also done this whilst being plagued with injury.

So there needs to be a bit of balance between facts and opinions. Maybe he isn't exerting himself 100% because of his injury issues which is common in players coming back from thigh/hamstring injuries but his overall contribution is still there.
Plagued with injuries doesn't exactly fit in with your no rotation plan, Moussa was your first choice I believe?
I'm not sure what point youre trying to make in relation to anything I've said.

I want a striker who will play a sustained number of games - if he gets injured then next in line gets the run. It's that simple.
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