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Moussa Dembele
Topic Started: 28 Jun 2016, 11:59 AM (860,364 Views)
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Everything on that list was done over a year ago (France stuff aside, which is rather insignificant anyway because U21 football doesn't really mean a great deal and ultimately, he's not good enough to get a game for the full team yet).

Moussa has had a lot of injury problems this season but even when he has played, he hasn't looked very interested unless it was a "Big game". We all know he'll go at some point, but whilst he's here I would expect him to maintain the level he did last season. He definitely hasn't done that, and without wanting to get into an argument about what his value is, it's reasonable to say that it has dropped from this time last year.

I'd also imagine that his injury record might be putting off clubs from buying him; Rodgers has said that they have never received a bid for him. If he's got so much potential, and is so highly sought after, why has no team even attempted to buy him?
Was that PSG goal really over a year ago?

This season - scored winner in a semi final and clincher in final.

Fair enough with the PSG goal, that was this season.

Genuinely don't think anything he does in Scotland matters to the absolute top-level sides.
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Was that PSG goal really over a year ago?

This season - scored winner in a semi final and clincher in final.

Fair enough with the PSG goal, that was this season.

Genuinely don't think anything he does in Scotland matters to the absolute top-level sides.
What he did in the Championship and is doing for France U21s will though.
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I'll be honest. Much as I like big Moussa, I don't think he's good enough for a top Level EPL team. Nor a top European team either.

Maybe the step below for him initially. Doesn't mean we should accept 18m for him.

At 21 years old he's smashing it for France u21s, got a call up to the 30 man provisional France squad at a time when they have about 6-7 amazing forwards, scored a hat trick in his glasgow derby debut, scored vs BMG, PSG and 2x Man City in the CL group stages.

He's well on his way to becoming a top level player - if he isn't already.
Wasn't disputing he couldn't hit a good penalty. ;)

He's not at the top level for EPL or European teams, yet. I like him very much but I don't see him in a top level team. He's not good enough yet.

That's why there is not teams battering down the door for him. Plus he's now got real injury issues.



he would have significantly improved Arsenal yesterday :thumbsup:

although I will accept the inevitable reply that they may no longer be a "top level" EPL team ;)
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15 Jan 2018, 01:17 PM
Let's see who is nearer the mark over the next few years.
The fanboys or me.
I only care about Celtic not the short term aims of a player who won't see out two seasons with the club.
Fanboys. Ha!

Some patter coming from you.
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Wasn't disputing he couldn't hit a good penalty. ;)

He's not at the top level for EPL or European teams, yet. I like him very much but I don't see him in a top level team. He's not good enough yet.

That's why there is not teams battering down the door for him. Plus he's now got real injury issues.



he would have significantly improved Arsenal yesterday :thumbsup:

although I will accept the inevitable reply that they may no longer be a "top level" EPL team ;)
You've answered yer own point Jim.

Arsenal with Alexis Ozil and Lacazette probably wouldn't have room for him either. However, as they drop further and further away he'll start to look a decent option for them. But Wenger is too arrogant to look up here .

I'd have said Everton would have been a decent shout for Moussa, until they signed that Turkish boy. Other than that he wouldn't get near the other sides.

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Wasn't disputing he couldn't hit a good penalty. ;)

He's not at the top level for EPL or European teams, yet. I like him very much but I don't see him in a top level team. He's not good enough yet.

That's why there is not teams battering down the door for him. Plus he's now got real injury issues.



he would have significantly improved Arsenal yesterday :thumbsup:

although I will accept the inevitable reply that they may no longer be a "top level" EPL team ;)
Or a list of players that would improve Arsenal as long as your arm :lol:

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15 Jan 2018, 02:02 AM
People need to stop glossing over the fact that he's been bang average and if any other player showed a similar abject attitude then questions would be getting asked.

If we were to get anything like the figures mentioned (Brighton etc) then we should punt.

At the risk of Ste having some sort of fit I'll state that he is not good enough to play for a top EPL or European team.
Bang average :lol:

He’s in our through injury ffs.
Aye but he walked off the pitch dead slow against the huns.
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Was that PSG goal really over a year ago?

This season - scored winner in a semi final and clincher in final.

Fair enough with the PSG goal, that was this season.

Genuinely don't think anything he does in Scotland matters to the absolute top-level sides.
The PSG goal was a swing and a deflection from a rehearsed move FFS. Anyone thinking you're going to get a massive bid on the back of that needs their bumps felt.

Imagine we were signing someone and that was their youtube highlight reel? Bangura level. :lol:
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15 Jan 2018, 03:03 PM
The PSG goal was a swing and a deflection from a rehearsed move FFS.
it was a goal in the cl. bizarre to try and downplay it

a "rehearsed move" ffs
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I'll be honest. Much as I like big Moussa, I don't think he's good enough for a top Level EPL team. Nor a top European team either.

Maybe the step below for him initially. Doesn't mean we should accept 18m for him.

At 21 years old he's smashing it for France u21s, got a call up to the 30 man provisional France squad at a time when they have about 6-7 amazing forwards, scored a hat trick in his glasgow derby debut, scored vs BMG, PSG and 2x Man City in the CL group stages.

He's well on his way to becoming a top level player - if he isn't already.
Wasn't disputing he couldn't hit a good penalty. ;)

He's not at the top level for EPL or European teams, yet. I like him very much but I don't see him in a top level team. He's not good enough yet.

That's why there is not teams battering down the door for him. Plus he's now got real injury issues.



Only one of the goals I mention was a penalty. But considering a penalty at 1-0 down against BMG (which he won) could be considered a high pressure situation he done well. Admittedly he did miss one vs Barca.

All of this "not good enough yet" stuff is nonsense tbh. When will we know he's good enough? When he goes to some middle of the road pish and has a good season? His goals in the CL are worth more than 10-12 in the Prem.

Batshuyai won a move to Chelsea with a similar record to Dembele. The difference is Dembele would be classified as a home grown player.
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40 goals in 70 Celtic games, despite a big section of two campaigns being significantly hampered by hamstring injuries from mid April to October.

On top of 15 Championship goals in a season at age 19, and currently being among the best of the current France U21 team, it is not exactly bang average is it?
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15 Jan 2018, 03:14 PM


All of this "not good enough yet" stuff is nonsense tbh. When will we know he's good enough? When he goes to some middle of the road pish and has a good season? His goals in the CL are worth more than 10-12 in the Prem.

He's not yet. He's got the materials to improve though.

Do you seriously think he's good enough for Man U, Spurs, Liverpool, Man City, Barcelona, Real, Munich et al.

Not even remotely effing close to it yet.

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All of this "not good enough yet" stuff is nonsense tbh. When will we know he's good enough? When he goes to some middle of the road pish and has a good season? His goals in the CL are worth more than 10-12 in the Prem.

He's not yet. He's got the materials to improve though.

Do you seriously think he's good enough for Man U, Spurs, Liverpool, Man City, Barcelona, Real, Munich et al.

Not even remotely effing close to it yet.

The majority of 21 year olds these players sign don't go right into the first team. They are squad players who improve.

Could Dembele be a squad player at Man U, Spurs, Liverpool and Man City? Yes.

He's a player with immense potential. He is built perfectly for England and he scores in big games. Assuming he doesnt suffer any long term injuries he'll end up at one of the clubs you've mentioned. Maybe not directly from us but that would be more their fault than his.
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He's a player with immense potential.
Yep.

He's not ready for those clubs yet.

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Let's see who is nearer the mark over the next few years.
The fanboys or me.
I only care about Celtic not the short term aims of a player who won't see out two seasons with the club.
imagine you calling anyone else a fanboy :lol:
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He's a player with immense potential.
Yep.

He's not ready for those clubs yet.

What do you mean by ready? As in he's not ready to play 45 games a season and be the top man? If he was signed that isn't what he would be asked to do right now.

Dembele would be a great option for a few of the bigger Premier League clubs right now.
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He's a player with immense potential.
Yep.

He's not ready for those clubs yet.

What do you mean by ready? As in he's not ready to play 45 games a season and be the top man? If he was signed that isn't what he would be asked to do right now.

Dembele would be a great option for a few of the bigger Premier League clubs right now.
These teams won't buy him because they won't view him as ready.

You've practically said the same thing yourself. Whether we like it or not, top EPL teams or European teams won't take much of a look at Dembele until he proves himself consistently at a higher level than he is at just now.
He'll likely have to sign for an Everton or a Southampton burn it up by getting 12/15 goals before people take him as seriously as you do now. The boy clearly has talent but at the moment I don't see big teams taking the risk with the readies for him at this stage.

I don't think those teams are wrong. You do. No big deal.

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