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Moussa Dembele
Topic Started: 28 Jun 2016, 11:59 AM (860,388 Views)
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25 Dec 2017, 06:23 PM

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Why not.

Dembele for me has a much higher ceiling. Dembele will be expensive but he also has a potential high sell on value.

His market value far exceeds the likes of McCormack
Because the previous selling price of another player is irrelevant.

Why not compare a player to scheidt and say they are all better than him therefore should go for many multiples of the millions spent on him? Or the buying club could compare him to Larsson, and even taking into account inflation, say dembele is not worth a fraction of what was paid for him. There have been plenty of better players that have went for less than McCormack and his transfer is not the yardstick. It is just trite nonsense that is spouted on these occasions.


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Edited by Columbo's Cigar, 25 Dec 2017, 08:21 PM.
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25 Dec 2017, 06:40 PM

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Because the previous selling price of another player is irrelevant.

Why not compare a player to scheidt and say they are all better than him therefore should go for many multiples of the millions spent on him? Or the buying club could compare him to Larsson, and even taking into account inflation, say dembele is not worth a fraction of what was paid for him. There have been plenty of better players that have went for less than McCormack and his transfer is not the yardstick. It is just trite nonsense that is spouted on these occasions.
Four months ago, Burnley paid Leeds £15 million for Chris Wood...a NZ international who has played two games years ago in the Premier League and who haS scored about 60 goals in 140 games in the Championship..

I’d happily use that as a yardstick and suggest Dembele is worth at least one and half to two times that figure :thumbsup:
My point was about the constant references to the McCormack transfer you get on here.

A one off transfer years ago will not be taken into account by any buying club. If lawell brought it up in negotiations he would rightly be laughed at.
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If he wants to play at World Cup why would he go to Brighton. They struggle and he won’t get service to score goals.

Everton or even Burnley for European qualification would be more likely
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25 Dec 2017, 06:40 PM

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Because the previous selling price of another player is irrelevant.

Why not compare a player to scheidt and say they are all better than him therefore should go for many multiples of the millions spent on him? Or the buying club could compare him to Larsson, and even taking into account inflation, say dembele is not worth a fraction of what was paid for him. There have been plenty of better players that have went for less than McCormack and his transfer is not the yardstick. It is just trite nonsense that is spouted on these occasions.
My point was the constant references to McCormack. A one off transfer years ago will not be taken into account by any buying club. If lawell brought it up in negotiations he would rightly be laughed at.
Plenty transfers in the last year to use as a yardstick - wood and assombalonga both went for 15m.
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25 Dec 2017, 08:22 PM
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My point was the constant references to McCormack. A one off transfer years ago will not be taken into account by any buying club. If lawell brought it up in negotiations he would rightly be laughed at.
Plenty transfers in the last year to use as a yardstick - wood and assombalonga both went for 15m.
I made the point above. Of course other recent transfers will be taken into account, but the recurring reference to the McCormack transfer of years ago will be of consideration to buying clubs today.
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Brighton can feck off

And any other financially doped two bit outfit in their top league comes a calling then they can pay the going rate for their league, ie £30 million plus, or they can feck off as well.
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Plenty transfers in the last year to use as a yardstick - wood and assombalonga both went for 15m.
I made the point above. Of course other recent transfers will be taken into account, but the recurring reference to the McCormack transfer of years ago will be of consideration to buying clubs today am simply ignores other transfers that don’t support such a valuation.

It is a dangerous approach to take - can’thave it both ways. Next time we want to. If a player from down south are we willing to accept that we need to pay at least that amount to get someone of only mccormacks quality? Would never have had dembele or Sinclair if that was the case.
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25 Dec 2017, 12:05 PM
Huns game coming up, you say?

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25 Dec 2017, 03:47 PM
Feck it. Pictured in Brighton today.

http://sordc.com/school-of-rock/quadrophenia-movie/
Do they do pink scooters in Brighton ?

Mamasgottasqueezebox. CSC :thumbsup:
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Keep him till summer. Get him fit and firing again during rest of the season.
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25 Dec 2017, 01:41 PM
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25 Dec 2017, 01:20 PM
People thinking we will get double that are in for a dissapointment. That’s the starting figure and will go up a little but anywhere near 25 and I’ll be surprised. He’s been poor for the main this year and not kicked on as we had hoped. All the potential is there but 35-40m is fantasy land imo.
There's always one :ffs:
If you disagree. Then disagree and put your arguments forward , no need to be a smart arse. I hope I’m wrong and your right but I just can’t see it.
He’s shampooe anyway. You sound like a Hun statement mate
Get a effing grip
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25 Dec 2017, 02:07 PM
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25 Dec 2017, 01:20 PM
People thinking we will get double that are in for a dissapointment. That’s the starting figure and will go up a little but anywhere near 25 and I’ll be surprised. He’s been poor for the main this year and not kicked on as we had hoped. All the potential is there but 35-40m is fantasy land imo.
There's always one :ffs:
Always one what?
Dembele is still very much a diamond in the rough.He is prone to injury to the point he has barely been fully match fit all year.
Established CL striker?Aye?
Anything north of £15M represents a great bit of business for what Celtic have shelled out on his transfer and wages.
I would expect l the usual sell on clause to apply to give us a wee bonus if he realises his potential and gets a big move.His development this year has been negligible.
*** there’s always two
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15m would be utter bollocks in comparison to what average players are getting punted for down there. The same folk were lining up to say we would be lucky to get 10m for Virgil and now he is getting punted for 70m. I'd tell anyone club that wants Dembele that the bidding starts at 25 - else eff off.
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He’s an English trained player. That pretty much trebles his actual value.
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Talk on FF is hilarious where they talk about Dembeles agreed cut of the 18mill plus that of his agents cut and other add on fees we would be legally bound to meet. They're trying so hard to reach their goal of Celtic paying Brighton to take him off our hands, absolutely hilarious.
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Talk on FF is hilarious where they talk about Dembeles agreed cut of the 18mill plus that of his agents cut and other add on fees we would be legally bound to meet. They're trying so hard to reach their goal of Celtic paying Brighton to take him off our hands, absolutely hilarious.
Theyll make more on Morelos because his fee is roughly 10k and he is actually paying them to play. Dembele is on circa 60k a week and we have to give 40% of any fee to his agent and 50% to Fulham and I think even PSG are getting a slice.
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25 Dec 2017, 09:28 PM
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25 Dec 2017, 09:21 PM
Talk on FF is hilarious where they talk about Dembeles agreed cut of the 18mill plus that of his agents cut and other add on fees we would be legally bound to meet. They're trying so hard to reach their goal of Celtic paying Brighton to take him off our hands, absolutely hilarious.
Theyll make more on Morelos because his fee is roughly 10k and he is actually paying them to play. Dembele is on circa 60k a week and we have to give 40% of any fee to his agent and 50% to Fulham and I think even PSG are getting a slice.
Pfffff!!!!

Hun logic.

Say what you like about Lawwell, but he'd never, ever have signed a deal like that.

In fact, what kind of idiot would?

*Cough! huns directors! Cough!*
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Oh look. Let’s talk about sevco when we are in the middle of debating our prized asset. FFS lads, seriously? Who cares what they think or what their players are or aren’t worth.
Go and have another mince pie.
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25 Dec 2017, 08:20 PM
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Four months ago, Burnley paid Leeds £15 million for Chris Wood...a NZ international who has played two games years ago in the Premier League and who haS scored about 60 goals in 140 games in the Championship..

I’d happily use that as a yardstick and suggest Dembele is worth at least one and half to two times that figure :thumbsup:
My point was about the constant references to the McCormack transfer you get on here.

A one off transfer years ago will not be taken into account by any buying club. If lawell brought it up in negotiations he would rightly be laughed at.
I have referred to a transfer in the last window involving a club with a fairly similar profile to Brighton ( eg...in the Premier League, Stadium about half our size, awash with unearned cash and a possible candudate at some point for relegation) and buying a player that I assume would be rated significantly inferior to Dembele

If Brighton think £18 million is a fair price for Dembele then the evidence seems to suggest otherwise ?

How would you price Dembele ??

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25 Dec 2017, 09:53 PM
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25 Dec 2017, 08:06 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
My point was about the constant references to the McCormack transfer you get on here.

A one off transfer years ago will not be taken into account by any buying club. If lawell brought it up in negotiations he would rightly be laughed at.
I have referred to a transfer in the last window involving a club with a fairly similar profile to Brighton ( eg...in the Premier League, Stadium about half our size, awash with unearned cash and a possible candudate at some point for relegation) and buying a player that I assume would be rated significantly inferior to Dembele

If Brighton think £18 million is a fair price for Dembele then the evidence seems to suggest otherwise ?

How would you price Dembele ??

There is no point debating this with folk like CC. They come into the discussion with a negative viewpoint and twist stuff to suit their argument. With regards Dembele, CC has echoed the argument of other kds'ers through the years when talking about McGeady, Wanyama, Forster & Van Dijk. These negative ninnies seem to think the market is dictated by what the buying club is willing to spend and that this isn't effected by all the other deals being made. For some reason, I don't know if it is just Celtic or the whole of Scottish football, we exist in a bubble that isn't impacted by market forces.

It is weird how they talk down the value of their own team and players. They might actually think they are being realistic but they are constantly ignoring stuff and misreading facts to come to their conclusions. Baffling.
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