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Moussa Dembele
Topic Started: 28 Jun 2016, 11:59 AM (860,532 Views)
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Moussa Dembele, in London to scan Chelsea for a purple monkey dishwasher.
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31 Jan 2017, 12:52 PM
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31 Jan 2017, 12:40 PM

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And we have the background finance in place to deal with that.
Do we though? We are not going to leverage the club's outgoings based on Champions League revenue. We already need some kind of European revenue just to break even - without it we run at a loss. If we sign five players earning 40k per week each (and that is not excessive money by any means), that is an extra 10m per annum lumped onto the wagebill - or 30m over three years. One or two season without Champions League could see us staring into a massive black hole. Is the club going to leverage that kind of risk? I think it is far more likely (maybe even desirable) that we give Rodgers around 10m on three or four players of the kind he has signed already and use the rest for debt reduction and investment in infrastructure.
Genuine answer is I don't know. If it is a choice for me of losing Dembele and Rodgers say getting 4 ( taking it down from 6) quality players in ( with again possible sell on potential) I think that would be beneficial for Celtic long term.

The money on the go now ( if it's to be believed) I think it would be remiss not to take.
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31 Jan 2017, 12:46 PM
Does anyone really believe Moussa is in London to see a knee specialist?

Don't think so!!!!!!

I do.
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I just don't see it. He will eventually move directly to that sort of club for mega money but not now.
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31 Jan 2017, 12:57 PM
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31 Jan 2017, 12:52 PM
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31 Jan 2017, 12:43 PM

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Do we though? We are not going to leverage the club's outgoings based on Champions League revenue. We already need some kind of European revenue just to break even - without it we run at a loss. If we sign five players earning 40k per week each (and that is not excessive money by any means), that is an extra 10m per annum lumped onto the wagebill - or 30m over three years. One or two season without Champions League could see us staring into a massive black hole. Is the club going to leverage that kind of risk? I think it is far more likely (maybe even desirable) that we give Rodgers around 10m on three or four players of the kind he has signed already and use the rest for debt reduction and investment in infrastructure.
Genuine answer is I don't know. If it is a choice for me of losing Dembele and Rodgers say getting 4 ( taking it down from 6) quality players in ( with again possible sell on potential) I think that would be beneficial for Celtic long term.

The money on the go now ( if it's to be believed) I think it would be remiss not to take.
Agreed.
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31 Jan 2017, 12:11 PM
Rodgers sold a genuine world class talent in Suarez. He knows how the football world works.

If we get an offer of 35m quid it would be mental not to sell. And I'm no balance book lover either

This wouldn't balance the books, this would ensure the our books are blacker than a black hole.
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31 Jan 2017, 12:57 PM
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31 Jan 2017, 12:52 PM
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31 Jan 2017, 12:43 PM

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Do we though? We are not going to leverage the club's outgoings based on Champions League revenue. We already need some kind of European revenue just to break even - without it we run at a loss. If we sign five players earning 40k per week each (and that is not excessive money by any means), that is an extra 10m per annum lumped onto the wagebill - or 30m over three years. One or two season without Champions League could see us staring into a massive black hole. Is the club going to leverage that kind of risk? I think it is far more likely (maybe even desirable) that we give Rodgers around 10m on three or four players of the kind he has signed already and use the rest for debt reduction and investment in infrastructure.
Genuine answer is I don't know. If it is a choice for me of losing Dembele and Rodgers say getting 4 ( taking it down from 6) quality players in ( with again possible sell on potential) I think that would be beneficial for Celtic long term.

The money on the go now ( if it's to be believed) I think it would be remiss not to take.
It's a balancing act for sure but I really don't think it's as easy as taking the money for Dembele (who is earning one wage of what, £1m per year) and spending it say on five players who are going to be earning double that - each. There is a consequence of spending that type of money on players in the shape of wages - which we could afford while we are in the Champions League but which is obviously not guaranteed and therefore leaves you open to risk. It is a problem.
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31 Jan 2017, 12:36 PM
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31 Jan 2017, 12:28 PM

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I'd be comfortable to give Rodgers 20/30 million to build a team much more than Strachan, Lennon or RD . We have to trust him, he deserves the trust.

Otherwise , what's the point? We've hit the high point of the structure we're trying to run. Buy low sell high. It's like a triple jackpot on the puggy.

If we sell Dembele there's no way all that money will be re-invested.

BR will be lucky to see £6m of that
We have a great season with CL group stage dosh banked and if in addition we sell our most valuable asset for mega, mega dosh in terms of our financial base you expect Rodgers will be lucky to get £6m to improve the squad?

Do you want a kds charity bet that if Dembele is sold we spend more than £6m?
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31 Jan 2017, 09:53 AM
For me, there are three huge reasons to keep him. 1) There's no need to rush into a sale when you consider that clubs will be queuing up to offer mega money for him over the next two years; 2) It sends out the wrong message if people think we're incapable of holding onto our best players for longer than one transfer window; and 3) It's potentially a false economy. Sure, £30 million+ would be a great short-term windfall but if it costs us CL group stage qualification next season, not to mention how much we could potentially have to spend on a replacement, are we really any better off long-term?
Nail on the head.

Particularly the false economy.

We sell Dembele for 35 million, we diminish our attacking edge significantly, for the CL qualies.

We don't qualify for CL, the 35 million will compensate, but we're still worse off cause we lost one of the most promising and exciting prospects we had in years, who's exactly the kind of player who could make the difference in our champ league fortunes.

Quite simply the way I see it is this - never in our wildest dreams (unless we got a move to EPL) could we afford to buy a £35 mill rated player, why then when Brendan has secured/created one, would we want to offload him at the first opportunity when there's no financial necessity and to the detriment of our CL campaign this year.
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Fairly impressive if this deal went through Rodgers would have effectively paid for himself for the next 16 years
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I'd rather we didn't sell our best players but £35m/£40m is an obscene amount of money anywhere in football never mind in the SPFL.

Ideally I'd love him to stay and be part of next seasons Champions League squad but let him go if the price is right on the basis we don't qualify and need to plug a gap in the finances.
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31 Jan 2017, 01:01 PM
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31 Jan 2017, 12:11 PM
Rodgers sold a genuine world class talent in Suarez. He knows how the football world works.

If we get an offer of 35m quid it would be mental not to sell. And I'm no balance book lover either

This wouldn't balance the books, this would ensure the our books are blacker than a black hole.
careful. at this rate we'll be paying tax on the profits :ph43r:
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Really gutted by this, thought we'd have him till the years end at least.
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31 Jan 2017, 01:12 PM
Really gutted by this, thought we'd have him till the years end at least.
Gutted about what?

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31 Jan 2017, 01:12 PM
Really gutted by this, thought we'd have him till the years end at least.
He's not been sold yet mate.
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31 Jan 2017, 01:12 PM
Really gutted by this, thought we'd have him till the years end at least.
:lol: He is going nowhere mate so cheer up. He might go in the summer but I am relatively confident we will be discussing offers for him this time next year.
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Can anyone identify these 6 x £5m players that we could get from Dembele sale who would improve the team and (crucially) come to Celtic? Get a grip! Snodgrass went for £10m and he is nothing to write home about. There are dozens of other examples - Andros Townsend anyone? Calum Wilson (who ruptured his anterior crucuate) is now being touted as a £20m player!!! It isn't much different in the EFL or abroad - you're deluded if you think otherwise.

Someone mentioned Joe Allen - he went for £13m and will be earning in excess of £40k per week plus bonuses. That'd be at least £21m thrown away in four years on one player!

I mentioned elsewhere that a former EPL director is saying that Dembele could easily go for £50m plus next year. It'd be stupid to cash in now. We have to stick to the model of developing raw and under-valued talent to extract maximum value - there is no way Dembele has reached maximum value.
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:lol: Is there any genuine evidence that there has even been interest in Dembele? Can't see it anywhere! A bid of £15m is realistic.
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I'm concerned more about the scan on his knee than losing him - hopefully nothing serious.
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31 Jan 2017, 01:18 PM
:lol: Is there any genuine evidence that there has even been interest in Dembele? Can't see it anywhere! A bid of £15m is realistic.
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