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Moussa Dembele
Topic Started: 28 Jun 2016, 11:59 AM (860,533 Views)
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murphio
31 Jan 2017, 12:22 PM
There is an issue though, as I mentioned previously, that has often hampered clubs when selling a major asset and spending it on several others. I remember West Ham selling Rio Ferdinand to Leeds - Harry Redknapp went out and spunked the money on four or five players who were absolute pish - Titi Camara springs to mind. Spurs wasted a lot of the Bale money on the likes of Paulinho, Soldado and Cahdli. And Rodgers himself sold Suarez and spunked a fortune on Markovic, Balotelli, Moreno, Lambert etc. It sounds great having the money but sometimes you are maybe better off with the player.
Liverpool hierarchy had a major say on signings
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Dembele has a massive say in all this. If Chelsea have met the valuation and Dembele wants to talk with them, then I think we have to let it happen.

He will leave us at some point in the near future and as long as Brendan gets a very large slice of the pie to spend, then so be it.
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My main concern is BR is going to look at £30m he's brought in from CL qualification and ask why virtually nothing has been reinvested in the squad this window to help progress next year? This feeling will only double if Moussa goes with no replacement.

It's very short-term thinking from the Board this window. The Moussa money should be taken if it's over £30m, definitely. But it's the lack of long-term thinking that is a concern. Surely every effort should have been made to keep BR happy this window?

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31 Jan 2017, 12:25 PM
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31 Jan 2017, 12:22 PM
There is an issue though, as I mentioned previously, that has often hampered clubs when selling a major asset and spending it on several others. I remember West Ham selling Rio Ferdinand to Leeds - Harry Redknapp went out and spunked the money on four or five players who were absolute pish - Titi Camara springs to mind. Spurs wasted a lot of the Bale money on the likes of Paulinho, Soldado and Cahdli. And Rodgers himself sold Suarez and spunked a fortune on Markovic, Balotelli, Moreno, Lambert etc. It sounds great having the money but sometimes you are maybe better off with the player.
Liverpool hierarchy had a major say on signings
No doubt they did. That isn't my point - my point is that Liverpool were better off keeping Suarez and to hell with the money. Though in that case they probably didn't have a choice but to sell. If we do have a choice - ie the player is happy where he is - then it's maybe not as black and white as just cashing in, hoping to improve the team by removing one player and spending it on four or five others.
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Selling our star youngster after only 6 months (or in other words the first open transfer window) sends a message that we wont be bullied?

Aye, nae bother.
Edited by Hail!Hail!, 31 Jan 2017, 12:35 PM.
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31 Jan 2017, 12:28 PM
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31 Jan 2017, 12:25 PM
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31 Jan 2017, 12:22 PM
There is an issue though, as I mentioned previously, that has often hampered clubs when selling a major asset and spending it on several others. I remember West Ham selling Rio Ferdinand to Leeds - Harry Redknapp went out and spunked the money on four or five players who were absolute pish - Titi Camara springs to mind. Spurs wasted a lot of the Bale money on the likes of Paulinho, Soldado and Cahdli. And Rodgers himself sold Suarez and spunked a fortune on Markovic, Balotelli, Moreno, Lambert etc. It sounds great having the money but sometimes you are maybe better off with the player.
Liverpool hierarchy had a major say on signings
No doubt they did. That isn't my point - my point is that Liverpool were better off keeping Suarez and to hell with the money. Though in that case they probably didn't have a choice but to sell. If we do have a choice - ie the player is happy where he is - then it's maybe not as black and white as just cashing in, hoping to improve the team by removing one player and spending it on four or five others.
I'd be comfortable to give Rodgers 20/30 million to build a team much more than Strachan, Lennon or RD . We have to trust him, he deserves the trust.

Otherwise , what's the point? We've hit the high point of the structure we're trying to run. Buy low sell high. It's like a triple jackpot on the puggy.

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31 Jan 2017, 12:22 PM
There is an issue though, as I mentioned previously, that has often hampered clubs when selling a major asset and spending it on several others. I remember West Ham selling Rio Ferdinand to Leeds - Harry Redknapp went out and spunked the money on four or five players who were absolute pish - Titi Camara springs to mind. Spurs wasted a lot of the Bale money on the likes of Paulinho, Soldado and Cahdli. And Rodgers himself sold Suarez and spunked a fortune on Markovic, Balotelli, Moreno, Lambert etc. It sounds great having the money but sometimes you are maybe better off with the player.
Agreed.

In terms of a striker replacement of equal standard, it'll be difficult. But if you look around the rest of our team and think what three or four quality players could do...

MON got Sutton, Valgaren, Lennon, Thompson in in that first season. If BR can do similar... :potm:
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Sub heading should be edited - 20m is so last month
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No danger is he hopping down to London for a wee trip to see a knee specialist.
If his knee was in such a condition a London based specialist was the next step, then Rodgers (and or Celtic) wouldn't be advertising the fact that our prized asset has a gammy knee. I'm thinking Chelsea have met our price. :cry: :twitch:
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30 Jan 2017, 09:31 PM
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Nah. Not for me.

Want to watch our best players stay and develop at Celtic, not see them sold off as soon as someone waves some cash around.

Find it pretty depressing that the majority of posters on here seem to disagree.
I agree. Loved it for example when Kenny was at the club. The money and replacements never made up for his loss. Easier to get over a Wanyama or Van Dyck, but strikers are a different thing for this club. Also, we've probably wasted about £40 million in transfers and wages for dud strikers. Let us enjoy him for a couple of years, and if it costs us transfer money then so what. The club is more than financially stable. We should let Brendan have the best players possible at his disposal by keeping our stars, because he is the main reason for our current and future success.
By not selling him to Chelsea we'd be denying Dembele a huge wage rise, he'd be expecting a wage bump if he stays even if he did only sign 6 months ago.

I fully expect him to still be a Celtic player tomorrow.
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31 Jan 2017, 12:25 PM

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No doubt they did. That isn't my point - my point is that Liverpool were better off keeping Suarez and to hell with the money. Though in that case they probably didn't have a choice but to sell. If we do have a choice - ie the player is happy where he is - then it's maybe not as black and white as just cashing in, hoping to improve the team by removing one player and spending it on four or five others.
I'd be comfortable to give Rodgers 20/30 million to build a team much more than Strachan, Lennon or RD . We have to trust him, he deserves the trust.

Otherwise , what's the point? We've hit the high point of the structure we're trying to run. Buy low sell high. It's like a triple jackpot on the puggy.

If we sell Dembele there's no way all that money will be re-invested.

BR will be lucky to see £6m of that
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31 Jan 2017, 12:28 PM
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31 Jan 2017, 12:25 PM

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No doubt they did. That isn't my point - my point is that Liverpool were better off keeping Suarez and to hell with the money. Though in that case they probably didn't have a choice but to sell. If we do have a choice - ie the player is happy where he is - then it's maybe not as black and white as just cashing in, hoping to improve the team by removing one player and spending it on four or five others.
I'd be comfortable to give Rodgers 20/30 million to build a team much more than Strachan, Lennon or RD . We have to trust him, he deserves the trust.

Otherwise , what's the point? We've hit the high point of the structure we're trying to run. Buy low sell high. It's like a triple jackpot on the puggy.

Remember too - it's not just fees, it's wages. Say we give Rodgers 30m. Say he spends it on five players - what do five £6m players do to the wagebill? These guys are going to be looking at serious coin.
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31 Jan 2017, 12:22 PM
There is an issue though, as I mentioned previously, that has often hampered clubs when selling a major asset and spending it on several others. I remember West Ham selling Rio Ferdinand to Leeds - Harry Redknapp went out and spunked the money on four or five players who were absolute pish - Titi Camara springs to mind. Spurs wasted a lot of the Bale money on the likes of Paulinho, Soldado and Cahdli. And Rodgers himself sold Suarez and spunked a fortune on Markovic, Balotelli, Moreno, Lambert etc. It sounds great having the money but sometimes you are maybe better off with the player.
I think it's a fair point but a few things worth considering. For Suarez and Bale (can't remember Ferdinand) it was all done in the same window. There was an element of panic that the money had to be spent instantly. We won't be signing anyone until the summer so we can be patient and really scout who we want without making a snap costly decision.

Also with that is the expectations from the fans that the money is spent. Great you've got 80m spend that plus the other 50m that was put aside for the window. We won't have that expectation that every penny goes back on a transfer simply because we know it doesn't.
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31 Jan 2017, 12:28 PM

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I'd be comfortable to give Rodgers 20/30 million to build a team much more than Strachan, Lennon or RD . We have to trust him, he deserves the trust.

Otherwise , what's the point? We've hit the high point of the structure we're trying to run. Buy low sell high. It's like a triple jackpot on the puggy.

Remember too - it's not just fees, it's wages. Say we give Rodgers 30m. Say he spends it on five players - what do five £6m players do to the wagebill? These guys are going to be looking at serious coin.
And we have the background finance in place to deal with that. Liek we did when signing Dembele, Sinclair and Toure this summer off a straight bat.

I'd much rather have 5/6 quality players costing 30 million - look at Sinclair - than Moussa Dembele. I'm sure most of us would.
Edited by Flawless, 31 Jan 2017, 12:45 PM.
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I'd be comfortable to give Rodgers 20/30 million to build a team much more than Strachan, Lennon or RD . We have to trust him, he deserves the trust.

Otherwise , what's the point? We've hit the high point of the structure we're trying to run. Buy low sell high. It's like a triple jackpot on the puggy.

If we sell Dembele there's no way all that money will be re-invested.

BR will be lucky to see £6m of that
That's guesswork. And based on nothing considering how Celtic now appear to work.

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I'd be comfortable to give Rodgers 20/30 million to build a team much more than Strachan, Lennon or RD . We have to trust him, he deserves the trust.

Otherwise , what's the point? We've hit the high point of the structure we're trying to run. Buy low sell high. It's like a triple jackpot on the puggy.

Remember too - it's not just fees, it's wages. Say we give Rodgers 30m. Say he spends it on five players - what do five £6m players do to the wagebill? These guys are going to be looking at serious coin.
Then buy 3 and use the rest on the wages? :ponder:

We sold McGeady to finance team rebuilding and it worked out well. Just because there are bad examples (Baleetc) doesn't mean it can't work. Spunking the lot quickly seems to have been the issue with your examples maybe. Couldn't knock back 35m either. Could get another Moussa plus another couple similar level with that money and pay their wages.
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Does anyone really believe Moussa is in London to see a knee specialist?

Don't think so!!!!!!

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31 Jan 2017, 12:28 PM
My main concern is BR is going to look at £30m he's brought in from CL qualification and ask why virtually nothing has been reinvested in the squad this window to help progress next year? This feeling will only double if Moussa goes with no replacement.

It's very short-term thinking from the Board this window. The Moussa money should be taken if it's over £30m, definitely. But it's the lack of long-term thinking that is a concern. Surely every effort should have been made to keep BR happy this window?

I see where you are coming from but I'm not sure the manager has had any issues with the board to date. In this window we've signed one midfielder, we've all said midfield was the biggest area requiring improvement. It would be nice to get some quality additions bedded in now ahead of CL qualifiers but the January transfer window is notoriously difficult to get the quality of player you want and get value for money for said signing. I actually think we need to sell a few of our midfielders, strikers, defenders to make room in the squad.

IMO the board have backed this manager more than any other in the last 5 years. yes BR said he was disappointed not to have brought more in, in this window but he sounded confident we'll get the business done in the summer. Quotes from BBC


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Remember too - it's not just fees, it's wages. Say we give Rodgers 30m. Say he spends it on five players - what do five £6m players do to the wagebill? These guys are going to be looking at serious coin.
And we have the background finance in place to deal with that.
Do we though? We are not going to leverage the club's outgoings based on Champions League revenue. We already need some kind of European revenue just to break even - without it we run at a loss. If we sign five players earning 40k per week each (and that is not excessive money by any means), that is an extra 10m per annum lumped onto the wagebill - or 30m over three years. One or two season without Champions League could see us staring into a massive black hole. Is the club going to leverage that kind of risk? I think it is far more likely (maybe even desirable) that we give Rodgers around 10m on three or four players of the kind he has signed already and use the rest for debt reduction and investment in infrastructure.
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31 Jan 2017, 12:46 PM
Does anyone really believe Moussa is in London to see a knee specialist?

Don't think so!!!!!!

I know. On the last day of a transfer window where he's been linked with heavily with a London club?

Timing is effing nuts if it is just a medical thing.

Personally, I think we should sell him if they offer £35 million plus. We'd be mad not to.
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