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31 Jan 2017, 12:13 AM
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If he does go this window - and I'm not sure he will - we need another striker in immediately or we're in the same boat as before.
S'ok. Leigh Griffiths is that good he can turn up for training bevvied Source?
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31 Jan 2017, 12:14 AM
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£40m plus 15% sell on clause.
Or £37.5m plus a loan back to Celtic for 18 months. Deal! I would take that.
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31 Jan 2017, 12:16 AM
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If he does go this window - and I'm not sure he will - we need another striker in immediately or we're in the same boat as before.
S'ok. Leigh Griffiths is that good he can turn up for training bevvied No sin in that. Managers and acolytes have done it.
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31 Jan 2017, 12:21 AM
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If he does go this window - and I'm not sure he will - we need another striker in immediately or we're in the same boat as before.
S'ok. Leigh Griffiths is that good he can turn up for training bevvied
Source? Some load of bollocks on here
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31 Jan 2017, 12:22 AM
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I think he'll stay another season
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31 Jan 2017, 12:23 AM
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I think he'll stay another season I don't think he'll leave tomorrow but sadly a summer sale looks inevitable.
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31 Jan 2017, 12:27 AM
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I think he'll stay another season
I don't think he'll leave tomorrow but sadly a summer sale looks inevitable. He won't be here in the summer. Not a chance
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31 Jan 2017, 12:37 AM
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I think he'll stay another season
I don't think he'll leave tomorrow but sadly a summer sale looks inevitable.
He won't be here in the summer. Not a chance So, he will definitely leave tomorrow?
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31 Jan 2017, 01:02 AM
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We don't need the money. We do need the kind of player who can get us intae the CL, group stage and hopefully get us out. I can accept Dembele won't be a long term Celtic player......bit if he's valued at 34 mill this season, with another CL under his belt then he's going to be north of 34 mill next season.
If we're ever going to have any serious ambitions about getting out of the CL group stages, holding onto players like Dembele as long as we can is an absolute f*cking must!! If we were skint then that would be different - but we're no. Celtic players generating this kind of value are unique, but that not reason enough to cash in.
Bottom line for me is - what is our ambition as a club...like really. Is the Champions League really our ambition, or is it just exciting rhetoric.
If our ambitions are real.....football ambitions.... and not just about £££ - Dembele stays.
eff Chelsea
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We don't need the money. We do need the kind of player who can get us intae the CL, group stage and hopefully get us out. I can accept Dembele won't be a long term Celtic player......bit if he's valued at 34 mill this season, with another CL under his belt then he's going to be north of 34 mill next season. If we're ever going to have any serious ambitions about getting out of the CL group stages, holding onto players like Dembele as long as we can is an absolute f*cking must!! If we were skint then that would be different - but we're no. Celtic players generating this kind of value are unique, but that not reason enough to cash in. Bottom line for me is - what is our ambition as a club...like really. Is the Champions League really our ambition, or is it just exciting rhetoric. If our ambitions are real.....football ambitions.... and not just about £££ - Dembele stays. eff Chelsea But what could £30-£40 million do for our football ambitions?
Part of being successful on the pitch is selling your prize assets at the right time (rather than holding on as long as you can) and investing the money wisely.
The figures being bandied about are more than half our usual annual revenue. It really is a transformative amount of money for the club. What's more, a high profile sale like this - on the back of Van Dijk, Forster and Wanyama - will solidify our reputation as one of the best clubs in Europe for gifted young players to nurture their talent.
I don't want to see him go for at least another season. But if £30-£40 million is true, I think we have to take it.
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31 Jan 2017, 01:24 AM
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We don't need the money. We do need the kind of player who can get us intae the CL, group stage and hopefully get us out. I can accept Dembele won't be a long term Celtic player......bit if he's valued at 34 mill this season, with another CL under his belt then he's going to be north of 34 mill next season. If we're ever going to have any serious ambitions about getting out of the CL group stages, holding onto players like Dembele as long as we can is an absolute f*cking must!! If we were skint then that would be different - but we're no. Celtic players generating this kind of value are unique, but that not reason enough to cash in. Bottom line for me is - what is our ambition as a club...like really. Is the Champions League really our ambition, or is it just exciting rhetoric. If our ambitions are real.....football ambitions.... and not just about £££ - Dembele stays. eff Chelsea
But what could £30-£40 million do for our football ambitions? Part of being successful on the pitch is selling your prize assets at the right time (rather than holding on as long as you can) and investing the money wisely. The figures being bandied about are more than half our usual annual revenue. It really is a transformative amount of money for the club. What's more, a high profile sale like this - on the back of Van Dijk, Forster and Wanyama - will solidify our reputation as one of the best clubs in Europe for gifted young players to nurture their talent. I don't want to see him go for at least another season. But if £30-£40 million is true, I think we have to take it. With this season's CL money due we don't have to sell him, we're not financially crippled.
I'd like to hope we can keep him for another year and he wants to stay for that year too. Fingers crossed.
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We don't need the money. We do need the kind of player who can get us intae the CL, group stage and hopefully get us out. I can accept Dembele won't be a long term Celtic player......bit if he's valued at 34 mill this season, with another CL under his belt then he's going to be north of 34 mill next season. If we're ever going to have any serious ambitions about getting out of the CL group stages, holding onto players like Dembele as long as we can is an absolute f*cking must!! If we were skint then that would be different - but we're no. Celtic players generating this kind of value are unique, but that not reason enough to cash in. Bottom line for me is - what is our ambition as a club...like really. Is the Champions League really our ambition, or is it just exciting rhetoric. If our ambitions are real.....football ambitions.... and not just about £££ - Dembele stays. eff Chelsea
But what could £30-£40 million do for our football ambitions? Part of being successful on the pitch is selling your prize assets at the right time (rather than holding on as long as you can) and investing the money wisely. The figures being bandied about are more than half our usual annual revenue. It really is a transformative amount of money for the club. What's more, a high profile sale like this - on the back of Van Dijk, Forster and Wanyama - will solidify our reputation as one of the best clubs in Europe for gifted young players to nurture their talent. I don't want to see him go for at least another season. But if £30-£40 million is true, I think we have to take it.
With this season's CL money due we don't have to sell him, we're not financially crippled. I'd like to hope we can keep him for another year and he wants to stay for that year too. Fingers crossed. No one is saying we are financially crippled.
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We don't need the money. We do need the kind of player who can get us intae the CL, group stage and hopefully get us out. I can accept Dembele won't be a long term Celtic player......bit if he's valued at 34 mill this season, with another CL under his belt then he's going to be north of 34 mill next season. If we're ever going to have any serious ambitions about getting out of the CL group stages, holding onto players like Dembele as long as we can is an absolute f*cking must!! If we were skint then that would be different - but we're no. Celtic players generating this kind of value are unique, but that not reason enough to cash in. Bottom line for me is - what is our ambition as a club...like really. Is the Champions League really our ambition, or is it just exciting rhetoric. If our ambitions are real.....football ambitions.... and not just about £££ - Dembele stays. eff Chelsea
But what could £30-£40 million do for our football ambitions? Part of being successful on the pitch is selling your prize assets at the right time (rather than holding on as long as you can) and investing the money wisely. The figures being bandied about are more than half our usual annual revenue. It really is a transformative amount of money for the club. What's more, a high profile sale like this - on the back of Van Dijk, Forster and Wanyama - will solidify our reputation as one of the best clubs in Europe for gifted young players to nurture their talent. I don't want to see him go for at least another season. But if £30-£40 million is true, I think we have to take it. See tae be honest, that's the kind of ambition I don't give a shampoo about - a reputation for nurturing gifted young players that we then sell on. Sales of Van Dijk, Forster and Wanyama may well have been financially necessary at the time, arguably....but offloading Dembele at the end of his first season??
Like I said, our ambition is either a football ambition at the highest level or a financial one, we can't have it both ways. I'd agree that 35 million is transformative, in terms of our domestic football, but not in the Champions League scale of things.
Nobody should be able to lay a glove on us domestically for the foreseable. Which means we're going to be in the CL qualifiers driving seat for the foreseable.....if we're serious about progression in that competition we need to stop selling the type of players we need, to realise that progression
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With this season's CL money due we don't have to sell him, we're not financially crippled. I'd like to hope we can keep him for another year and he wants to stay for that year too. Fingers crossed.
No one is saying we are financially crippled. I know, all I'm saying is we're financially sound right now and we don't have to sell him 6 months after signing him. It's a lot of money sure but another successful CL campaign and it could be more, a gamble I'd rather we take than selling him now.
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We don't need the money. We do need the kind of player who can get us intae the CL, group stage and hopefully get us out. I can accept Dembele won't be a long term Celtic player......bit if he's valued at 34 mill this season, with another CL under his belt then he's going to be north of 34 mill next season. If we're ever going to have any serious ambitions about getting out of the CL group stages, holding onto players like Dembele as long as we can is an absolute f*cking must!! If we were skint then that would be different - but we're no. Celtic players generating this kind of value are unique, but that not reason enough to cash in. Bottom line for me is - what is our ambition as a club...like really. Is the Champions League really our ambition, or is it just exciting rhetoric. If our ambitions are real.....football ambitions.... and not just about £££ - Dembele stays. eff Chelsea
But what could £30-£40 million do for our football ambitions? Part of being successful on the pitch is selling your prize assets at the right time (rather than holding on as long as you can) and investing the money wisely. The figures being bandied about are more than half our usual annual revenue. It really is a transformative amount of money for the club. What's more, a high profile sale like this - on the back of Van Dijk, Forster and Wanyama - will solidify our reputation as one of the best clubs in Europe for gifted young players to nurture their talent. I don't want to see him go for at least another season. But if £30-£40 million is true, I think we have to take it.
See tae be honest, that's the kind of ambition I don't give a shampoo about - a reputation for nurturing gifted young players that we then sell on. Sales of Van Dijk, Forster and Wanyama may well have been financially necessary at the time, arguably....but offloading Dembele at the end of his first season?? Like I said, our ambition is either a football ambition at the highest level or a financial one, we can't have it both ways. I'd agree that 35 million is transformative, in terms of our domestic football, but not in the Champions League scale of things. Nobody should be able to lay a glove on us domestically for the foreseable. Which means we're going to be in the CL It's simplistic nonsense to say you have to pick one or the other. You need both and the two inform each other.
You don't think the club's good work with Wanyama and Van Dijk has anything to do with Demebele coming here in the first place? There are a whole bunch of clubs from the smaller leagues like Portugal and Holland which have outperformed us in the Champions League over the last two decades. What they have in common is that they nurture young talent and sell it to the big leagues for serious money. That's where we are right now and we need to consolidate on that for football reasons as much as financial ones.
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What's more, a high profile sale like this - on the back of Van Dijk, Forster and Wanyama - will solidify our reputation as one of the best clubs in Europe for gifted young players to nurture their talent. Completely agree.
Talented young players seeing us as a direct route to the 'elite' clubs, rather than a gateway to the upper mid-table would be pretty massive.
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What's more, a high profile sale like this - on the back of Van Dijk, Forster and Wanyama - will solidify our reputation as one of the best clubs in Europe for gifted young players to nurture their talent.
Completely agree. Talented young players seeing us as a direct route to the 'elite' clubs, rather than a gateway to the upper mid-table would be pretty massive. It's the next step we need to take as a club to put ourselves firmly in the sort of bracket Porto, Benfica, PSV and Ajax have occupied for the last 20 years.
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See tae be honest, that's the kind of ambition I don't give a shampoo about - a reputation for nurturing gifted young players that we then sell on. Sales of Van Dijk, Forster and Wanyama may well have been financially necessary at the time, arguably....but offloading Dembele at the end of his first season?? Like I said, our ambition is either a football ambition at the highest level or a financial one, we can't have it both ways. I'd agree that 35 million is transformative, in terms of our domestic football, but not in the Champions League scale of things. Nobody should be able to lay a glove on us domestically for the foreseable. Which means we're going to be in the CL
It's simplistic nonsense to say you have to pick one or the other. You need both and the two inform each other. You don't think the club's good work with Wanyama and Van Dijk has anything to do with Demebele coming here in the first place? There are a whole bunch of clubs from the smaller leagues like Portugal and Holland which have outperformed us in the Champions League over the last two decades. What they have in common is that they nurture young talent and sell it to the big leagues for serious money. That's where we are right now and we need to consolidate on that for football reasons as much as financial ones. Whether Dembele went now, summer or end of next season, wouldn't diminish this nurturing reputation, but explain to me the football logic from a Champions League qualifier perspective this year, in offloading Dembele in this window, when there's no financial necessity.....and assuming Dembele will progress and mature under Brendan his value is only likely to increase, particularly with another productive CL campaign under his belt.
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It's simplistic nonsense to say you have to pick one or the other. You need both and the two inform each other. You don't think the club's good work with Wanyama and Van Dijk has anything to do with Demebele coming here in the first place? There are a whole bunch of clubs from the smaller leagues like Portugal and Holland which have outperformed us in the Champions League over the last two decades. What they have in common is that they nurture young talent and sell it to the big leagues for serious money. That's where we are right now and we need to consolidate on that for football reasons as much as financial ones.
Whether Dembele went now, summer or end of next season, wouldn't diminish this nurturing reputation, but explain to me the football logic from a Champions League qualifier perspective this year, in offloading Dembele in this window, when there's no financial necessity.....and assuming Dembele will progress and mature under Brendan his value is only likely to increase, particularly with another productive CL campaign under his belt. It's the "his value is likely to increase" part which is the main risk. There's no guarantee of that at all. If the price being quoted is correct, I really can't see that going up by much but it could go down by a lot if, for instance, Moussa gets a bad injury.
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