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Moussa Dembele
Topic Started: 28 Jun 2016, 11:59 AM (860,575 Views)
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5 Jan 2017, 07:38 PM
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5 Jan 2017, 07:17 PM
He's a good player. Strong, athletic, physical, but I don't see the top, top tier ability that many seem to. Only 20 I know, and could/should continue to improve, but don't think his touch/overall ability is at that level. See him more as a Ki/Denayer level player, rather than Wanyama/VVD/Forster level. Just one man's opinion (and I hate that we sold low on Vic/VVD/Forster), but 20m would be awfy tough for me to turn down. That said, if clubs wealthier than West Ham are willing to bid 30m over the summer, then spose it'd be folly to sell for 20m. Put in the good 'problem' to have column :thumbsup:

As an aside, how sick must Fulham be? :lol:
He was unplayable at times in the Champions League. What tier does he have to perform at before you believe?

Re the money. Goalscorers tend to fetch higher fees than defenders or midfielders. Considering his age, his current rate of progress and his potential, £20m is not a lot of money.

He has all the attributes to play at the very top.
If he signs for West ham today he'll be worth £30 million tomorrow.
Probably more.

Virgil's value has gone from £13m to £60m in little over a year.

I don't want us getting stung again. eff them.
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5 Jan 2017, 07:41 PM
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TeddyB_NY
5 Jan 2017, 07:17 PM
He's a good player. Strong, athletic, physical, but I don't see the top, top tier ability that many seem to. Only 20 I know, and could/should continue to improve, but don't think his touch/overall ability is at that level. See him more as a Ki/Denayer level player, rather than Wanyama/VVD/Forster level. Just one man's opinion (and I hate that we sold low on Vic/VVD/Forster), but 20m would be awfy tough for me to turn down. That said, if clubs wealthier than West Ham are willing to bid 30m over the summer, then spose it'd be folly to sell for 20m. Put in the good 'problem' to have column :thumbsup:

As an aside, how sick must Fulham be? :lol:
Lot of nonsense. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of football can see how good Dembele is.
Where did I say he wasn't good? Just happen to think he's a notch below the Vic/VVD/Forster rather than at their level. Doesn't at all mean I think he's not good.
He'll play at as high of level as anyone you mentioned. Without a shadow of a doubt.
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Can't believe the lunacy of some on here prepared to accept £20m and risk next year's CL qualification. Thank eff we have a manager who understands the English transfer market.
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TeddyB_NY
5 Jan 2017, 07:17 PM
He's a good player. Strong, athletic, physical, but I don't see the top, top tier ability that many seem to. Only 20 I know, and could/should continue to improve, but don't think his touch/overall ability is at that level. See him more as a Ki/Denayer level player, rather than Wanyama/VVD/Forster level. Just one man's opinion (and I hate that we sold low on Vic/VVD/Forster), but 20m would be awfy tough for me to turn down. That said, if clubs wealthier than West Ham are willing to bid 30m over the summer, then spose it'd be folly to sell for 20m. Put in the good 'problem' to have column :thumbsup:

As an aside, how sick must Fulham be? :lol:
Away and don't talk a lot of pish.

Dembele has made more of an impact in our team in his first 6 months than any of the 3 you mention.
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5 Jan 2017, 07:17 PM
He's a good player. Strong, athletic, physical, but I don't see the top, top tier ability that many seem to. Only 20 I know, and could/should continue to improve, but don't think his touch/overall ability is at that level. See him more as a Ki/Denayer level player, rather than Wanyama/VVD/Forster level. Just one man's opinion (and I hate that we sold low on Vic/VVD/Forster), but 20m would be awfy tough for me to turn down. That said, if clubs wealthier than West Ham are willing to bid 30m over the summer, then spose it'd be folly to sell for 20m. Put in the good 'problem' to have column :thumbsup:

As an aside, how sick must Fulham be? :lol:
He was unplayable at times in the Champions League. What tier does he have to perform at before you believe?

Re the money. Goalscorers tend to fetch higher fees than defenders or midfielders. Considering his age, his current rate of progress and his potential, £20m is not a lot of money.

He has all the attributes to play at the very top.
He definitely has the attributes, mate. And I think he's a very good player. Just don't see him as being top 5 EPL level.

I'm not trying to denigrate or make some stance here, he's a very solid player. Just saying that I think he's not yet at the level I saw from Vic/VVD/Forster :thumbsup:
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5 Jan 2017, 07:17 PM
He's a good player. Strong, athletic, physical, but I don't see the top, top tier ability that many seem to. Only 20 I know, and could/should continue to improve, but don't think his touch/overall ability is at that level. See him more as a Ki/Denayer level player, rather than Wanyama/VVD/Forster level. Just one man's opinion (and I hate that we sold low on Vic/VVD/Forster), but 20m would be awfy tough for me to turn down. That said, if clubs wealthier than West Ham are willing to bid 30m over the summer, then spose it'd be folly to sell for 20m. Put in the good 'problem' to have column :thumbsup:

As an aside, how sick must Fulham be? :lol:
I thought his first time lay offs and around the corner flicks / passes (mainly to Sinclair) were sublime on Saturday.
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5 Jan 2017, 07:17 PM
He's a good player. Strong, athletic, physical, but I don't see the top, top tier ability that many seem to. Only 20 I know, and could/should continue to improve, but don't think his touch/overall ability is at that level. See him more as a Ki/Denayer level player, rather than Wanyama/VVD/Forster level. Just one man's opinion (and I hate that we sold low on Vic/VVD/Forster), but 20m would be awfy tough for me to turn down. That said, if clubs wealthier than West Ham are willing to bid 30m over the summer, then spose it'd be folly to sell for 20m. Put in the good 'problem' to have column :thumbsup:

As an aside, how sick must Fulham be? :lol:
Out of interest, what level player did you see Gary Hooper as when he was with us?
I thought Hooper was really good and underrated for us. Thought his game was far more all-around than people gave him credit for: fantastic passer, great touch, super smart, did far more than just sit in the box (don't know where that rep came from). That said, didn't/wouldn't at all see him as top 6 type player---completely different level.

Dembele's clearly quite good and I like him as a player (who wouldn't?), but very different from Hooper---more about athleticism and strength. Very good in space, good in air, good with back to goal too.

Think Dembele's got more potential in EPL than Hooper did/does due to pace/physicality, which I think is especially important in that league. Just don't think he's the slam dunk, top tier level. When I saw VVD, Vic, Forster, they always seemed like 20m players to me. Moussa seems more like 10m level to me (or whatever level a notch below those three would be).

Great buy either way and great player to have. I just happen to think he's a bit below the level some have him at :thumbsup:
10 mil for Dembele? :cuckoo:

We got 6 mil for Hooper (age 25). Dembele has been scoring at the age of 20 in the Champions League. Hooper was scoring for Hereford Utd in League 2 at age 20.

I respect your opinion that you may not think he has potential to be a top player (obviously I disagree with that), but your valuation of Dembele in modern football is way, way, way off the mark.
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5 Jan 2017, 07:17 PM
He's a good player. Strong, athletic, physical, but I don't see the top, top tier ability that many seem to. Only 20 I know, and could/should continue to improve, but don't think his touch/overall ability is at that level. See him more as a Ki/Denayer level player, rather than Wanyama/VVD/Forster level. Just one man's opinion (and I hate that we sold low on Vic/VVD/Forster), but 20m would be awfy tough for me to turn down. That said, if clubs wealthier than West Ham are willing to bid 30m over the summer, then spose it'd be folly to sell for 20m. Put in the good 'problem' to have column :thumbsup:

As an aside, how sick must Fulham be? :lol:
Away and don't talk a lot of pish.

Dembele has made more of an impact in our team in his first 6 months than any of the 3 you mention.
Eff sake. Relax and read what I wrote. You'd think I said he was Bangura from these reactions.
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I thought Hooper was really good and underrated for us. Thought his game was far more all-around than people gave him credit for: fantastic passer, great touch, super smart, did far more than just sit in the box (don't know where that rep came from). That said, didn't/wouldn't at all see him as top 6 type player---completely different level.

Dembele's clearly quite good and I like him as a player (who wouldn't?), but very different from Hooper---more about athleticism and strength. Very good in space, good in air, good with back to goal too.

Think Dembele's got more potential in EPL than Hooper did/does due to pace/physicality, which I think is especially important in that league. Just don't think he's the slam dunk, top tier level. When I saw VVD, Vic, Forster, they always seemed like 20m players to me. Moussa seems more like 10m level to me (or whatever level a notch below those three would be).

Great buy either way and great player to have. I just happen to think he's a bit below the level some have him at :thumbsup:
10 mil for Dembele? :cuckoo:

We got 6 mil for Hooper (age 25). Dembele has been scoring at the age of 20 in the Champions League. Hooper was scoring for Hereford Utd in League 2 at age 20.

I respect your opinion that you may not think he has potential to be a top player (obviously I disagree with that), but your valuation of Dembele in modern football is way, way, way off the mark.
Using 10m to mean a level down from VVD/Vic mate - not an actual figure :thumbsup:
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How much would people sell him for? I'd be holding out for $30million at least and not till after the qualifiers in the summer
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5 Jan 2017, 07:49 PM
How much would people sell him for? I'd be holding out for $30million at least and not till after the qualifiers in the summer
£30m for me.
Edited by Adam Smith 11, 5 Jan 2017, 07:51 PM.
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I think when he goes ( this time next year) it'll be 30m plus.
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5 Jan 2017, 07:13 PM
Away and blow bubbles ya bunch of sky propped up bastards.
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I think 35m will be the magic number, whenever it happens.
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How much would people sell him for? I'd be holding out for $30million at least and not till after the qualifiers in the summer
£30m for me.
No way should we sell until after the CL qualifiers. Even then, nothing under £25m and we should look to get a decent sell on clause inserted.
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Saying on Twitter ( aye i know ) That Celtic have recieved no bids for him. Praying we keep him till summer at least.
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No chance he's getting sold this month unless it's crazy money and we have a direct replacement lined up.
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Hopefully we won't sell at this stage at any price including the daft offers from down south. This boy has great potential but more importantly he could make the difference in Europe. It's all well and good having to balance the books but we need to remain competitive and we won't do it flogging our best prospects at the first offer.
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5 Jan 2017, 07:56 PM
Saying on Twitter ( aye i know ) That Celtic have recieved no bids for him. Praying we keep him till summer at least.
Stv news and clyde said the same earlier :thumbsup:
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He'd be a mug to go to West Ham, at any price. Circus of a club.
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