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5 Dec 2016, 10:49 PM
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His first touch of late has been awful but that's why we need Griff - good to switch as Moussa is only a young guy.
Looks alright in this video. Granted he was murder on Saturday & I do agree that it is good to have Griff around. Moussa does not have to play every game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS3Y9SWvhXk I'm not doubting his talent, far from it. I know he'll do a 5-1 again - preferably against the zombies
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5 Dec 2016, 10:53 PM
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His first touch of late has been awful but that's why we need Griff - good to switch as Moussa is only a young guy.
Looks alright in this video. Granted he was murder on Saturday & I do agree that it is good to have Griff around. Moussa does not have to play every game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS3Y9SWvhXk
I'm not doubting his talent, far from it. I know he'll do a 5-1 again - preferably against the zombies I do agree with you, having Griff around gives us a chance to allow Moussa room to develop.
I would start Griff in the next couple of league games.
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I'm not doubting his talent, far from it. I know he'll do a 5-1 again - preferably against the zombies
I do agree with you, having Griff around gives us a chance to allow Moussa room to develop. I would start Griff in the next couple of league games. Yeah I agree
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Dembele should only be rested if Rodgers thinks it'll benefit us later in the season. I always remember Davie Moyes wrapping an 18-year-old Wayne Rooney in cotton wool, using him sparingly at Everton to protect him despite the fact he was clearly the best striker at the club. What thanks did he get for it? At the end of the season, Rooney took Euro 2004 by storm and left Everton for Man Utd! The moral of that story is that we're probably only going to have Dembele for a season or two so let's make the most of him while he's here rather than protect him for the benefit of his next employers.
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5 Dec 2016, 11:12 PM
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Dembele should only be rested if Rodgers thinks it'll benefit us later in the season. I always remember Davie Moyes wrapping an 18-year-old Wayne Rooney in cotton wool, using him sparingly at Everton to protect him despite the fact he was clearly the best striker at the club. What thanks did he get for it? At the end of the season, Rooney took Euro 2004 by storm and left Everton for Man Utd! The moral of that story is that we're probably only going to have Dembele for a season or two so let's make the most of him while he's here rather than protect him for the benefit of his next employers.
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Guardian article on Dembele .... https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/dec/06/celtic-moussa-dembele-brendan-rodgers-champions-league
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Had things worked out differently, Moussa Dembélé would have worn the white of Tottenham Hotspur and be preparing for the club’s Champions League tie against CSKA Moscow at Wembley on Wednesday night. There would also have been the thing about the name clash.
How would he and Mousa Dembélé have been differentiated? “I will go to another club, then,” the Tottenham and Belgium midfielder with the single S had joked in April. “Or, they’ll need to find a nickname for him. We’ll see …”
At that stage, the French centre-forward with the double S still looked likely to move from Fulham to Tottenham as a free agent. The deal had broken down in January, when Fulham had insisted that Dembélé would have to be loaned back to them for the remainder of their fight against relegation from the Championship; Tottenham had wanted him there and then. The fee of £5m – plus a sell-on clause for Fulham – had been agreed, along with personal terms. Celtic end Manchester City’s winning run with thrilling Champions League draw
But Mauricio Pochettino, the Tottenham manager, was a big fan, and so why would he not try again for him in the summer, particularly when there promised to be fewer strings?
Enter Celtic. And, enter Brendan Rodgers. In a two-and-a-half-hour meeting with Dembélé in central London, the Celtic manager, who had just joined the club, set out why he wanted to make the 20-year-old his first signing. It is fair to say the meeting went well and Dembélé has not looked back since.
He has worn the hoops of Celtic with distinction and he is preparing for the club’s Champions League tie at Manchester City on Tuesday night as one of the hottest prospects in Europe. It might be a dead rubber for Celtic, as they are certain to finish at the foot of Group C, but it will give Dembélé his latest opportunity to shine on the grandest stage.
The high point of his season was arguably the performance he gave in the home game against City in September, when he scored twice in the 3-3 draw. That there can be a debate serves to illustrate the impact he has had. Advertisement
Dembélé announced himself with the nerveless last-gasp penalty that settled the Champions League third-round qualifier against Astana and then scored a hat-trick in the Old Firm league victory over Rangers. There has also been the winner against Rangers in the Scottish League Cup semi-final and his goalscoring part in the final victory over Aberdeen, the Champions League equaliser at Borussia Mönchengladbach and his two goals for the France Under-21s in the 3-2 win against England.
He scored 15 league goals for Fulham last season – plus two more in the cups – and it was thanks to him, in large part, that they retained their Championship status. According to Opta, his goals and seven assists were worth 22 points to the club. He was the youngest player to score 15 league goals in the top two divisions of England, Spain, Germany, Italy and France last season.
This season Dembélé has 17 goals in all competitions for Celtic and a buzz has built around him. Having cost Celtic just £500,000 in compensation to Fulham, he has come to be linked on a seemingly weekly basis to Europe’s elite clubs for eight-figure sums. Type his name into Google and you will get the picture. Five months into a four-year contract, the talk is of how long Celtic can hope to keep him. The fact that he is classified as a home-grown player, having joined Fulham at 16 from Paris St-Germain, has been noted by his Premier League suitors.
Dembélé’s youth coach at PSG, Laurent Bonadei, said that Dembélé could become like Raúl, the Spain legend, because of the naturalness of his finishing, and in Glasgow there have been comparisons to Henrik Larsson, the Celtic great, in terms of his capacity to change a game.
“I worked with Didier Drogba at Chelsea and I think Moussa’s of that ilk,” Rodgers said, after the 3-3 draw against City. “He’s a big-game player and he has a belief. He is a boy who can get to the top but there are some things to work upon yet.”
It is also worth recounting Rodgers’ comments that night when a journalist put forward a market valuation for Dembélé. “How much? Are you saying £15m? That’s his left toe,” Rodgers said. “Moussa knows where he’s at and he knows that, in two or three years’ time, if he develops as he can, or how we think he can, the market is there. It doesn’t have to be two or three years – and I don’t think it will be.” Advertisement
Rodgers’s meeting with Dembélé in London was a defining moment. During it he explained, in great detail, how he intended to use him and, crucially, how he would improve him. What left an impression on Dembélé was how much Rodgers knew about him and his game and, for that, the Celtic scout David Moss can take a good deal of credit. Moss had watched Dembélé since November 2015 and compiled dozens of reports on him. Many clubs had wanted Dembélé but, to the player, it was only Celtic who were consumed by the prospect. They had, evidently, put in the hard yards.
Rodgers also brought up how Luis Suárez had improved under his management at Liverpool, together with Daniel Sturridge and Raheem Sterling. The message to Dembélé was clear: if he was ready to apply himself, he, too, could make serious strides. The Suárez example struck a chord.
Celtic, moreover, could offer him regular playing opportunities in front of a huge home crowd, the chance to develop a winning mentality and to play in the Champions League. It was the ideal fit for the next stage of his development, and Dembélé knew it. To him, it did not matter that he might have earned a larger wage at another club. “Some will follow the money and, believe me, he could have got a lot more money elsewhere,” Rodgers said.
Even Zinedine Zidane had a comment on the business that Celtic had completed. “I like to follow the progress of exciting, young French players and I know that Bayern Munich, Monaco and Juventus were all looking at him – so it really is big that Celtic managed to sign him,” the Real Madrid manager said. “It’s a good move for him. He needs first-team football, to develop the skills he already has and he will get that at Celtic.”
Dembélé grew up in the unforgiving Paris suburb of Cergy and at the age of eight was taken into the PSG setup, where he would meet his best friend, Kingsley Coman, a forward now at Bayern. The pair played together at youth level, where they terrorised opposition defences, but Dembélé, as Coman would do himself, came to fear that there was no career path from the PSG academy to the first team.
Dembélé made the difficult but character-shaping decision to move to Fulham, despite speaking no English, because he was well aware of the west London club’s reputation for developing talent. He came over with his older brother for a chaperone and both of them can tell stories from the early days about how they would communicate through body language and gesture.
The staff at Fulham talk of Dembélé as a personable boy with drive, ever-increasing confidence and massive ambition. He bulked up through hard work in the gym and on the training pitch, and he enjoyed it when he came to be known as The Beast, routinely tweeting Beastmode on match-days.
Dembélé rose through the ranks with Patrick Roberts, another forward now at Celtic – on loan from Manchester City – and, if it has been tough for Fulham to lose them, they can feel pride and vindication at the role they have played in their formation. Advertisement
Fulham were desperate to tie Dembélé to a new contract and the owner, Shahid Khan, made a personal intervention last season. But there was never any possibility of that happening. Dembélé said when he was unveiled at Celtic he wanted to become the best player in the world. He is convinced he is destined for the top.
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Guardian article on Dembele .... https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/dec/06/celtic-moussa-dembele-brendan-rodgers-champions-leagueSpoiler: click to toggle
Had things worked out differently, Moussa Dembélé would have worn the white of Tottenham Hotspur and be preparing for the club’s Champions League tie against CSKA Moscow at Wembley on Wednesday night. There would also have been the thing about the name clash.
How would he and Mousa Dembélé have been differentiated? “I will go to another club, then,” the Tottenham and Belgium midfielder with the single S had joked in April. “Or, they’ll need to find a nickname for him. We’ll see …”
At that stage, the French centre-forward with the double S still looked likely to move from Fulham to Tottenham as a free agent. The deal had broken down in January, when Fulham had insisted that Dembélé would have to be loaned back to them for the remainder of their fight against relegation from the Championship; Tottenham had wanted him there and then. The fee of £5m – plus a sell-on clause for Fulham – had been agreed, along with personal terms. Celtic end Manchester City’s winning run with thrilling Champions League draw
But Mauricio Pochettino, the Tottenham manager, was a big fan, and so why would he not try again for him in the summer, particularly when there promised to be fewer strings?
Enter Celtic. And, enter Brendan Rodgers. In a two-and-a-half-hour meeting with Dembélé in central London, the Celtic manager, who had just joined the club, set out why he wanted to make the 20-year-old his first signing. It is fair to say the meeting went well and Dembélé has not looked back since.
He has worn the hoops of Celtic with distinction and he is preparing for the club’s Champions League tie at Manchester City on Tuesday night as one of the hottest prospects in Europe. It might be a dead rubber for Celtic, as they are certain to finish at the foot of Group C, but it will give Dembélé his latest opportunity to shine on the grandest stage.
The high point of his season was arguably the performance he gave in the home game against City in September, when he scored twice in the 3-3 draw. That there can be a debate serves to illustrate the impact he has had. Advertisement
Dembélé announced himself with the nerveless last-gasp penalty that settled the Champions League third-round qualifier against Astana and then scored a hat-trick in the Old Firm league victory over Rangers. There has also been the winner against Rangers in the Scottish League Cup semi-final and his goalscoring part in the final victory over Aberdeen, the Champions League equaliser at Borussia Mönchengladbach and his two goals for the France Under-21s in the 3-2 win against England.
He scored 15 league goals for Fulham last season – plus two more in the cups – and it was thanks to him, in large part, that they retained their Championship status. According to Opta, his goals and seven assists were worth 22 points to the club. He was the youngest player to score 15 league goals in the top two divisions of England, Spain, Germany, Italy and France last season.
This season Dembélé has 17 goals in all competitions for Celtic and a buzz has built around him. Having cost Celtic just £500,000 in compensation to Fulham, he has come to be linked on a seemingly weekly basis to Europe’s elite clubs for eight-figure sums. Type his name into Google and you will get the picture. Five months into a four-year contract, the talk is of how long Celtic can hope to keep him. The fact that he is classified as a home-grown player, having joined Fulham at 16 from Paris St-Germain, has been noted by his Premier League suitors.
Dembélé’s youth coach at PSG, Laurent Bonadei, said that Dembélé could become like Raúl, the Spain legend, because of the naturalness of his finishing, and in Glasgow there have been comparisons to Henrik Larsson, the Celtic great, in terms of his capacity to change a game.
“I worked with Didier Drogba at Chelsea and I think Moussa’s of that ilk,” Rodgers said, after the 3-3 draw against City. “He’s a big-game player and he has a belief. He is a boy who can get to the top but there are some things to work upon yet.”
It is also worth recounting Rodgers’ comments that night when a journalist put forward a market valuation for Dembélé. “How much? Are you saying £15m? That’s his left toe,” Rodgers said. “Moussa knows where he’s at and he knows that, in two or three years’ time, if he develops as he can, or how we think he can, the market is there. It doesn’t have to be two or three years – and I don’t think it will be.” Advertisement
Rodgers’s meeting with Dembélé in London was a defining moment. During it he explained, in great detail, how he intended to use him and, crucially, how he would improve him. What left an impression on Dembélé was how much Rodgers knew about him and his game and, for that, the Celtic scout David Moss can take a good deal of credit. Moss had watched Dembélé since November 2015 and compiled dozens of reports on him. Many clubs had wanted Dembélé but, to the player, it was only Celtic who were consumed by the prospect. They had, evidently, put in the hard yards.
Rodgers also brought up how Luis Suárez had improved under his management at Liverpool, together with Daniel Sturridge and Raheem Sterling. The message to Dembélé was clear: if he was ready to apply himself, he, too, could make serious strides. The Suárez example struck a chord.
Celtic, moreover, could offer him regular playing opportunities in front of a huge home crowd, the chance to develop a winning mentality and to play in the Champions League. It was the ideal fit for the next stage of his development, and Dembélé knew it. To him, it did not matter that he might have earned a larger wage at another club. “Some will follow the money and, believe me, he could have got a lot more money elsewhere,” Rodgers said.
Even Zinedine Zidane had a comment on the business that Celtic had completed. “I like to follow the progress of exciting, young French players and I know that Bayern Munich, Monaco and Juventus were all looking at him – so it really is big that Celtic managed to sign him,” the Real Madrid manager said. “It’s a good move for him. He needs first-team football, to develop the skills he already has and he will get that at Celtic.”
Dembélé grew up in the unforgiving Paris suburb of Cergy and at the age of eight was taken into the PSG setup, where he would meet his best friend, Kingsley Coman, a forward now at Bayern. The pair played together at youth level, where they terrorised opposition defences, but Dembélé, as Coman would do himself, came to fear that there was no career path from the PSG academy to the first team.
Dembélé made the difficult but character-shaping decision to move to Fulham, despite speaking no English, because he was well aware of the west London club’s reputation for developing talent. He came over with his older brother for a chaperone and both of them can tell stories from the early days about how they would communicate through body language and gesture.
The staff at Fulham talk of Dembélé as a personable boy with drive, ever-increasing confidence and massive ambition. He bulked up through hard work in the gym and on the training pitch, and he enjoyed it when he came to be known as The Beast, routinely tweeting Beastmode on match-days.
Dembélé rose through the ranks with Patrick Roberts, another forward now at Celtic – on loan from Manchester City – and, if it has been tough for Fulham to lose them, they can feel pride and vindication at the role they have played in their formation. Advertisement
Fulham were desperate to tie Dembélé to a new contract and the owner, Shahid Khan, made a personal intervention last season. But there was never any possibility of that happening. Dembélé said when he was unveiled at Celtic he wanted to become the best player in the world. He is convinced he is destined for the top.
wow, new levels of respect for Rodgers after reading that
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He's hit a bit of a lull recently in terms of his form and goals but bear in mind he is just a young guy, still learning, and it's not uncommon for strikers to hit these types of lows, not sure if all the speculation about other clubs and his price tag is affecting him, but he will start scoring again soon enough. Against Motherwell he looked a bit like the way he was in the early season games before he scored his first few goals but he is still contributing. Also good to see that even though he has hit a dry patch, other players are stepping up and getting valuable goals.
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6 Dec 2016, 12:24 PM
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Dembele should only be rested if Rodgers thinks it'll benefit us later in the season. I always remember Davie Moyes wrapping an 18-year-old Wayne Rooney in cotton wool, using him sparingly at Everton to protect him despite the fact he was clearly the best striker at the club. What thanks did he get for it? At the end of the season, Rooney took Euro 2004 by storm and left Everton for Man Utd! The moral of that story is that we're probably only going to have Dembele for a season or two so let's make the most of him while he's here rather than protect him for the benefit of his next employers. No harm in leaving him out and giving Griff the odd start.
It isn't about protecting him for a new club, it's about keeping him fresh.
I can't see Moussa doing a Rooney and trying to force through a move. I do think however we will get a stupid bid next summer and accept it.
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Dembele should only be rested if Rodgers thinks it'll benefit us later in the season. I always remember Davie Moyes wrapping an 18-year-old Wayne Rooney in cotton wool, using him sparingly at Everton to protect him despite the fact he was clearly the best striker at the club. What thanks did he get for it? At the end of the season, Rooney took Euro 2004 by storm and left Everton for Man Utd! The moral of that story is that we're probably only going to have Dembele for a season or two so let's make the most of him while he's here rather than protect him for the benefit of his next employers.
No harm in leaving him out and giving Griff the odd start. It isn't about protecting him for a new club, it's about keeping him fresh. I can't see Moussa doing a Rooney and trying to force through a move. I do think however we will get a stupid bid next summer and accept it. if you read that guardian article posted above, it explains why Dembele chose Celtic, basically because of the thorough research our scouting team had done on him and also, how Rodgers had been so knowledegable about his abilities and explained in great detail how he would improve him. this clearly impressed him so much he signed! For this reason, I imagine Rodgers can convince him to stay a bit longer to improve his game further and get more experience in Europe as well.
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6 Dec 2016, 01:19 PM
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Dembele should only be rested if Rodgers thinks it'll benefit us later in the season. I always remember Davie Moyes wrapping an 18-year-old Wayne Rooney in cotton wool, using him sparingly at Everton to protect him despite the fact he was clearly the best striker at the club. What thanks did he get for it? At the end of the season, Rooney took Euro 2004 by storm and left Everton for Man Utd! The moral of that story is that we're probably only going to have Dembele for a season or two so let's make the most of him while he's here rather than protect him for the benefit of his next employers.
No harm in leaving him out and giving Griff the odd start. It isn't about protecting him for a new club, it's about keeping him fresh. I can't see Moussa doing a Rooney and trying to force through a move. I do think however we will get a stupid bid next summer and accept it.
if you read that guardian article posted above, it explains why Dembele chose Celtic, basically because of the thorough research our scouting team had done on him and also, how Rodgers had been so knowledegable about his abilities and explained in great detail how he would improve him. this clearly impressed him so much he signed! For this reason, I imagine Rodgers can convince him to stay a bit longer to improve his game further and get more experience in Europe as well. I hope so, mate. I honestly think some people don't understand how good the guy is. He will be playing in one of the top leagues in no time at all.
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6 Dec 2016, 11:37 PM
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Played okay tonight. Felt he had to drop quite deep often tonight. Some excellent runs. Really should have finished his open goal chance tonight
He wins the ball in the air a lot too!
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In games he doesnt score in he is still a major pain to play against. Be first name on my teamsheet, ( and i like Griffiths btw.) Treasure Mousa while we have him.
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Praise when it's due but he was poor last night and against Motherwell.
Drop him for Friday and start Griffiths to give him a rest/boot up the arse. That's what the squads for after all.
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Big man off the boil for the first time this season last two games - if that makes sense!
Potentially Lee to start couple of next 3/4 games.
Moussa is the better player but lets give Griff 2/3 games as number 1.
Big man will be fine but age and playing hell of a lot of games maybe taking its toll on performances.
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Give him a rest on Friday night as Leigh needs the 90mins - then get Moussa back in for the home game v Hamilton on Tuesday
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- 7 Dec 2016, 10:13 AM
Praise when it's due but he was poor last night and against Motherwell.
Drop him for Friday and start Griffiths to give him a rest/boot up the arse. That's what the squads for after all. Disagree. He gave their defence a hard time, but didn't take his chances.
Poor is not getting a kick, and looking out of your depth.
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- 7 Dec 2016, 10:13 AM
Praise when it's due but he was poor last night and against Motherwell.
Drop him for Friday and start Griffiths to give him a rest/boot up the arse. That's what the squads for after all.
Disagree. He gave their defence a hard time, but didn't take his chances. Poor is not getting a kick, and looking out of your depth. I felt he snatched at chances, misplaced or overhit a few passes and generally struggled to get into the game, which was tailor made for him as we were creating chances and the midfield were dominant at times.
Massive fan of his but think it's fair to say he's been poor in his last 2 games.
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7 Dec 2016, 11:42 AM
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- 7 Dec 2016, 11:36 AM
- Jack Thaler
- 7 Dec 2016, 11:31 AM
- El_Beachio
- 7 Dec 2016, 10:13 AM
Praise when it's due but he was poor last night and against Motherwell.
Drop him for Friday and start Griffiths to give him a rest/boot up the arse. That's what the squads for after all.
Disagree. He gave their defence a hard time, but didn't take his chances. Poor is not getting a kick, and looking out of your depth.
I felt he snatched at chances, misplaced or overhit a few passes and generally struggled to get into the game, which was tailor made for him as we were creating chances and the midfield were dominant at times. Massive fan of his but think it's fair to say he's been poor in his last 2 games. We were creating chances due to his pace and movement. Swap him for another player and those chances likely wouldn't have been created.
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7 Dec 2016, 11:43 AM
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Big man has gone off the boil a wee bit but I don' think it's anything to worry about He's a young guy, still very much learning his trade. A wee dip in form is expected, he was never going to keep that up all season
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