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Moussa Dembele
Topic Started: 28 Jun 2016, 11:59 AM (860,611 Views)
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He's made a smart move by coming to Celtic, and I can't see him in a rush to leave in January. Decent piece on the issue in the Daily Heil today.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3947936/How-Manchester-United-target-Moussa-Dembele-gone-500-000-Celtic-signing-one-coveted-young-strikers-Europe-avoiding-Premier-League.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
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I'm still pretty bitter we didn't flog Larsson mid way through the venglos season. Wandered out the place on a free transfer 6 years later and what did we have to show for it? Pffft.
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18 Nov 2016, 12:58 PM
Ned Rise
18 Nov 2016, 12:05 PM
As soon as any player starts playing well, they go from having often being labelled pish to people wondering how we'll be able to hold onto them. It's a regular theme.

Maybe it was always like this, but I don't remember it like so.
It wasn't always that way, but it has been for a few years now; perhaps since around the time we sold Ki? Since then, a succession of players have been 'bought low and sold high'. At the moment, the philosophy of signing great players and having them at their peak is not one the club is choosing to pursue. Maybe things will change in the future but until then, if we ever have a player who is excelling, there will be talk of him leaving for a lot of money.

That doesn't mean anybody wants the guy to leave, it's just the nature of modern football. Hitting out with patter like "doing the press' job for them" is garbage; talking about the reality of a situation doesn't make it any more or less of a reality!
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about anytime a player has a decent run of form, we'll struggle to hold onto him, whereas a matter of weeks earlier he was often not going to make it at Celtic, pish etc.

Aside from that, as we all know, players valuations fluctuate depending on a whole variety of circumstances. Dembele definitely should burst all records if things go on the way they are, but when Scott Sinclair scored a few in a row, he was going to be hard to hang onto, Rogic went from being not good enough to someone we'll struggle to keep (sometimes not going to make it again because of his stamina etc).

We all know the best of our players are going to leave, and it'll usually in both parties best interests for it to happen during their contract. I just think people are as bothered about the numbers these days as they are about anything else.
Edited by Ned Rise, 18 Nov 2016, 01:37 PM.
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If I was to speculate I don't see Dembele moving for another couple of seasons at least. I realise we are a develop/sell club but with Brendan coming in he has been given a lot more control in terms of players he brings in and the wages he can offer. He will want to keep Dembele past January so I think the club will allow it... unless £40mil is offered, of course.
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hazy
18 Nov 2016, 01:20 PM
I'm still pretty bitter we didn't flog Larsson mid way through the venglos season. Wandered out the place on a free transfer 6 years later and what did we have to show for it? Pffft.
I was ten when we signed Henrik and 17 when he left so I didn't really appreciate the fact we had a player of his caliber at the time.

How the eff did we manage to hold on to him for as long as we did? I know SAF mentioned in his book MU were interested but was there any real danger of him leaving at any stage?
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18 Nov 2016, 12:11 AM
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17 Nov 2016, 09:51 PM

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Agreed. Depressing to see fans seemingly eager to hive our best players off at the earliest opportunity. :cuckoo:
Aye. We're absolutely obsessed about selling players. Soon as they show a bit of talent it's all about how much we're gonna sell them for and when.
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18 Nov 2016, 01:41 PM
hazy
18 Nov 2016, 01:20 PM
I'm still pretty bitter we didn't flog Larsson mid way through the venglos season. Wandered out the place on a free transfer 6 years later and what did we have to show for it? Pffft.
I was ten when we signed Henrik and 17 when he left so I didn't really appreciate the fact we had a player of his caliber at the time.

How the eff did we manage to hold on to him for as long as we did? I know SAF mentioned in his book MU were interested but was there any real danger of him leaving at any stage?
If Henrik had left earlier he could have had his pick of any club. It was all down to him not wanting to leave that we held onto him.

When he left he went to Barca when he wasnt at his peak then United. That shows how highly thought of he was.
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Hank Scorpio
18 Nov 2016, 01:41 PM
hazy
18 Nov 2016, 01:20 PM
I'm still pretty bitter we didn't flog Larsson mid way through the venglos season. Wandered out the place on a free transfer 6 years later and what did we have to show for it? Pffft.
I was ten when we signed Henrik and 17 when he left so I didn't really appreciate the fact we had a player of his caliber at the time.

How the eff did we manage to hold on to him for as long as we did? I know SAF mentioned in his book MU were interested but was there any real danger of him leaving at any stage?
The wage differential with England wasnt as big. In 2000, we could buy Sutton, who went for £10mill the year before, and pay him £30k a week and keep him for five years. His wages would be £60-70k a week now.

Henke was happy with his £38k a week (and big testimonial payoff) as he was happy at Celtic and his family settled.

With the wage difference now, I've often said that if we had signed Henrik in this day and age, he'd be off in 18-24 months. I guess Dembele will prove that.

Lets just enjoy him whilst we can and hope he stays around for another CL campaign. And lets hope the money will be used to strengthen the team under BL and onto 10inarow.
Edited by oneillsrevolution, 18 Nov 2016, 02:00 PM.
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18 Nov 2016, 01:13 PM
Not to mention that the possible future transfers of our best players is actually quite an interesting discussion as bigger fees should lead to continued growth on the field.
It was a good discussion and although it will spike again in January I think we can move on and enjoy him while we got him.
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Even if Dembele leaves for 40m I'll still be disappointed, you go to Celtic Park to watch players like him not chug over the balance sheet.

And the constant "we'll be lucky to have him next season" posts get on my tits as well.
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Hail!Hail!
18 Nov 2016, 02:34 PM
Even if Dembele leaves for 40m I'll still be disappointed, you go to Celtic Park to watch players like him not chug over the balance sheet.

And the constant "we'll be lucky to have him next season" posts get on my tits as well.
£40mill bid and he's away in January, never mind next season.
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Even if a crazy bid does come in January or the summer, what's to say the man himself would want to go? He's come here to develop as a player, he's not going to have developed all that much within 1 year - let alone 6 months.

Hope he stays.
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18 Nov 2016, 04:09 PM
Even if a crazy bid does come in January or the summer, what's to say the man himself would want to go? He's come here to develop as a player, he's not going to have developed all that much within 1 year - let alone 6 months.

Hope he stays.
An elite club comes in with a major bid and he'll be off. Lets not kid ourselves on now. This was a stepping stone arrangement and thats cool.
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We've 4 years of him. Another 3.5 to go. His price will not go down. If he's happy to stay then there's no rush to sell, at least until this time in 2 years time.
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we would really miss him. Griff is obviously a great striker, just seems to struggle a bit against the better teams in Europe. Big Moussa more than holds his own on the big stage. He will be very hard to replace and getting vital European goals is so priceless to Celtic
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18 Nov 2016, 04:45 PM
We've 4 years of him. Another 3.5 to go. His price will not go down. If he's happy to stay then there's no rush to sell, at least until this time in 2 years time.
No-one is saying different: we all hope he stays as long as possible. But the prime selling period is year 2; with 12 months on contract the price does go down (eg. Wanyama).

I suspect if Real or Man Utd make a £20mill plus bid in January or next summer, he'll be off - with the clubs best wishes too.
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18 Nov 2016, 05:02 PM
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18 Nov 2016, 04:45 PM
We've 4 years of him. Another 3.5 to go. His price will not go down. If he's happy to stay then there's no rush to sell, at least until this time in 2 years time.
No-one is saying different: we all hope he stays as long as possible. But the prime selling period is year 2; with 12 months on contract the price does go down (eg. Wanyama).

I suspect if Real or Man Utd make a £20mill plus bid in January or next summer, he'll be off - with the clubs best wishes too.
Ideally, when he does go, a few clubs will be interested which could drastically push up the price
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18 Nov 2016, 05:04 PM
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18 Nov 2016, 05:02 PM
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18 Nov 2016, 04:45 PM
We've 4 years of him. Another 3.5 to go. His price will not go down. If he's happy to stay then there's no rush to sell, at least until this time in 2 years time.
No-one is saying different: we all hope he stays as long as possible. But the prime selling period is year 2; with 12 months on contract the price does go down (eg. Wanyama).

I suspect if Real or Man Utd make a £20mill plus bid in January or next summer, he'll be off - with the clubs best wishes too.
Ideally, when he does go, a few clubs will be interested which could drastically push up the price
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18 Nov 2016, 04:58 PM
we would really miss him. Griff is obviously a great striker, just seems to struggle a bit against the better teams in Europe. Big Moussa more than holds his own on the big stage. He will be very hard to replace and getting vital European goals is so priceless to Celtic
People said that when we lost Hooper and yes we did struggle to replace his goals for a while but hopefully Dembele shows other promising top talents that, if they come to us, gain that CL experiences, they can move on to bigger and better things, instead of going to a Chelsea or Man U and getting 10 minutes off the bench twice a month.
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