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15 Nov 2016, 05:56 PM
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And if he gets injured/is pish we have won a watch. £20m and a loan back would be a great bit of business for us I think
You think so you're not convinced. If, IF Madrid are considering a £20million bid then I'd wager there's others willing to up that. £20million is a lot but I believe we could end up with egg on our face if we accepted. Vrigil was stolen from us too. Good question arises here. Would you take £20m and a loan back till May 2018, or £30m straight transfer, no loan back?
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15 Nov 2016, 06:00 PM
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You think so you're not convinced. If, IF Madrid are considering a £20million bid then I'd wager there's others willing to up that. £20million is a lot but I believe we could end up with egg on our face if we accepted. Vrigil was stolen from us too.
Good question arises here. Would you take £20m and a loan back till May 2018, or £30m straight transfer, no loan back? I'm not a fan of loans even though it would be tempting. Take the £30million and start again as having him back on loan would just be fecking depressing knowing he's not ours and going back to whomever at the end of it especially if he's banging them in left, right and centre.
Sold, bye.
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15 Nov 2016, 06:01 PM
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Keep him for as long as we can and then decide on a value once it becomes impossible for us to keep him.
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15 Nov 2016, 06:15 PM
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I just hope, for once, the scepticism about the standard of Scottish football means that any potential suitors will wait a bit longer before bidding. His stock is rising rapidly, if he scores in either of both of the City/Barcelona games in the CL he will be even more in the spotlight. If Celtic manage to keep him beyond next summer's transfer window, that will be a bonus. Hopefully what he says himself about wanting to stay at Celtic for a while is true. What a player this guy is already, I think it is up to him how far he goes in the game, he seems very level-headed and focused on his game.
If he scores in any of the next two games he becomes our all time top scorer in the CL group stages Had no idea about that, says it all really I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say it's quite possible he will beat the 40 Griffiths scored last season. Actually, speaking of Griffiths, I wonder if he will be happy playing second fiddle to MD for the foreseeable future.
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15 Nov 2016, 06:22 PM
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I just hope, for once, the scepticism about the standard of Scottish football means that any potential suitors will wait a bit longer before bidding. His stock is rising rapidly, if he scores in either of both of the City/Barcelona games in the CL he will be even more in the spotlight. If Celtic manage to keep him beyond next summer's transfer window, that will be a bonus. Hopefully what he says himself about wanting to stay at Celtic for a while is true. What a player this guy is already, I think it is up to him how far he goes in the game, he seems very level-headed and focused on his game.
If he scores in any of the next two games he becomes our all time top scorer in the CL group stages
Had no idea about that, says it all really  I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say it's quite possible he will beat the 40 Griffiths scored last season. Actually, speaking of Griffiths, I wonder if he will be happy playing second fiddle to MD for the foreseeable future. I would suggest no.
It's unfortunate for him. Had Dembele not stepped up in the manner he had, I dare say Leigh would still be leading the line.
Similar to Tierney/Izzy situation in so far that Izzy had not really done anything wrong to lose his place, other than be ousted by someone better.
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15 Nov 2016, 06:29 PM
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And if he gets injured/is pish we have won a watch. £20m and a loan back would be a great bit of business for us I think
You think so you're not convinced. If, IF Madrid are considering a £20million bid then I'd wager there's others willing to up that. £20million is a lot but I believe we could end up with egg on our face if we accepted. Vrigil was stolen from us too. We'd be getting a £20m player for a season and pocketing the cash though.
If we get £20m for a player then bring in a player valued at £20m for a season who helps us get Champions League football it is much more beneficial than just selling at £25-30m I think.
Do you genuinely think at any point a club will bid £30m for a player playing in Scotland? Serious question. I think it is possible in the right circumstances but it would rely heavily on Dembele scoring more goals in Europe and getting into the France team before it happened.
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15 Nov 2016, 06:40 PM
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You think so you're not convinced. If, IF Madrid are considering a £20million bid then I'd wager there's others willing to up that. £20million is a lot but I believe we could end up with egg on our face if we accepted. Vrigil was stolen from us too.
We'd be getting a £20m player for a season and pocketing the cash though. If we get £20m for a player then bring in a player valued at £20m for a season who helps us get Champions League football it is much more beneficial than just selling at £25-30m I think. Do you genuinely think at any point a club will bid £30m for a player playing in Scotland? Serious question. I think it is possible in the right circumstances but it would rely heavily on Dembele scoring more goals in Europe and getting into the France team before it happened. He scored 17 goals in the championship last year, scored 3 in the CL and is probably not far away from being capped at full international level and he's only 20.
Sterling went for 49m and has done eff all. Sometimes you know you have a gem. He has all the attributes to be the perfect striker. He's also a striker which you need to pay top dollar for anyway.
30m is reasonable imo
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15 Nov 2016, 06:42 PM
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You think so you're not convinced. If, IF Madrid are considering a £20million bid then I'd wager there's others willing to up that. £20million is a lot but I believe we could end up with egg on our face if we accepted. Vrigil was stolen from us too.
We'd be getting a £20m player for a season and pocketing the cash though. If we get £20m for a player then bring in a player valued at £20m for a season who helps us get Champions League football it is much more beneficial than just selling at £25-30m I think. Do you genuinely think at any point a club will bid £30m for a player playing in Scotland? Serious question. I think it is possible in the right circumstances but it would rely heavily on Dembele scoring more goals in Europe and getting into the France team before it happened. Did anyone think we'd have someone bid £20 million for a player up here? Personally I hope we can keep him for another season and go from there, feck Madrid right now, seems to me they're trying to get one over on everyone else. They can see the potential and I guess everyone else can too.
Wouldn't bet against him scoring in the CL again and as for the cap, any of our French Bhoys care to comment on how likely that is, any talk over there ?
This deal does look attractive right now but I'd rather we held our horses.
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15 Nov 2016, 06:44 PM
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We'd be getting a £20m player for a season and pocketing the cash though. If we get £20m for a player then bring in a player valued at £20m for a season who helps us get Champions League football it is much more beneficial than just selling at £25-30m I think. Do you genuinely think at any point a club will bid £30m for a player playing in Scotland? Serious question. I think it is possible in the right circumstances but it would rely heavily on Dembele scoring more goals in Europe and getting into the France team before it happened.
He scored 17 goals in the championship last year, scored 3 in the CL and is probably not far away from being capped at full international level and he's only 20. Sterling went for 49m and has done eff all. Sometimes you know you have a gem. He has all the attributes to be the perfect striker. He's also a striker which you need to pay top dollar for anyway. 30m is reasonable imo The Sterling part isn't true though.
Sterling, Sturridge and Suarez were brilliant when Liverpool nearly won the league.
One of his goals in the CL was a penalty - and he also missed a penalty at a crucial time. I'm not having a go at him by any means - if you look through my posts they are all positive in regards to Moussa and I think he is brilliant but just trying to look at it from an outsiders point of view.
By contrast - Martial went for £36m and had already been capped by France and played in a league where big fee's are notorious. Is it maybe fair to say that if you are a £30m player then at 20 year old you should be playing international football? I get that there is a lot of competition to get in the France squad...
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15 Nov 2016, 07:03 PM
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I just hope, for once, the scepticism about the standard of Scottish football means that any potential suitors will wait a bit longer before bidding. His stock is rising rapidly, if he scores in either of both of the City/Barcelona games in the CL he will be even more in the spotlight. If Celtic manage to keep him beyond next summer's transfer window, that will be a bonus. Hopefully what he says himself about wanting to stay at Celtic for a while is true. What a player this guy is already, I think it is up to him how far he goes in the game, he seems very level-headed and focused on his game.
If he scores in any of the next two games he becomes our all time top scorer in the CL group stages Until then, he's only as good as Kenny Miller...
Records aside, he's been hugely impressive.
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15 Nov 2016, 07:20 PM
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He hasn't even been here half a season yet and we're tying ourselves in knots over the different ways that we can structure the deal to sell him. Can we just enjoy him while he's here and have all this patter when it actually looks like he's going to move?
If he keeps playing so impressively and scoring in the CL and for France, that can only help his development and benefit us as he'll be a bigger threat to whoever we're playing against. There's pages and pages of posts on here from folk who see him play well and instantly think what that'll do to his transfer fee
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He scored 17 goals in the championship last year, scored 3 in the CL and is probably not far away from being capped at full international level and he's only 20. Sterling went for 49m and has done eff all. Sometimes you know you have a gem. He has all the attributes to be the perfect striker. He's also a striker which you need to pay top dollar for anyway. 30m is reasonable imo
The Sterling part isn't true though. Sterling, Sturridge and Suarez were brilliant when Liverpool nearly won the league. One of his goals in the CL was a penalty - and he also missed a penalty at a crucial time. I'm not having a go at him by any means - if you look through my posts they are all positive in regards to Moussa and I think he is brilliant but just trying to look at it from an outsiders point of view. By contrast - Martial went for £36m and had already been capped by France and played in a league where big fee's are notorious. Is it maybe fair to say that if you are a £30m player then at 20 year old you should be playing international football? I get that there is a lot of competition to get in the France squad... What does it matter if one of his goals was a penalty?
He won that penalty.
3 goals in 4 champions league games isn't bad. That's to add to his goals in the qualifiers too.
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15 Nov 2016, 07:38 PM
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The Sterling part isn't true though. Sterling, Sturridge and Suarez were brilliant when Liverpool nearly won the league. One of his goals in the CL was a penalty - and he also missed a penalty at a crucial time. I'm not having a go at him by any means - if you look through my posts they are all positive in regards to Moussa and I think he is brilliant but just trying to look at it from an outsiders point of view. By contrast - Martial went for £36m and had already been capped by France and played in a league where big fee's are notorious. Is it maybe fair to say that if you are a £30m player then at 20 year old you should be playing international football? I get that there is a lot of competition to get in the France squad...
What does it matter if one of his goals was a penalty? He won that penalty. 3 goals in 4 champions league games isn't bad. That's to add to his goals in the qualifiers too. 4 in 4 if he'd buried the Barca penalty.
Kinda glad he didn't now, Madrid probably would have snapped him up.
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Hopefully his contract has a "minimum number of hunskelpings" clause in it. And it's double digits.
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15 Nov 2016, 08:13 PM
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He hasn't even been here half a season yet and we're tying ourselves in knots over the different ways that we can structure the deal to sell him. Can we just enjoy him while he's here and have all this patter when it actually looks like he's going to move? If he keeps playing so impressively and scoring in the CL and for France, that can only help his development and benefit us as he'll be a bigger threat to whoever we're playing against. There's pages and pages of posts on here from folk who see him play well and instantly think what that'll do to his transfer fee The joys of posting on a message-board polluted by Football Manager geeks
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The Sterling part isn't true though. Sterling, Sturridge and Suarez were brilliant when Liverpool nearly won the league. One of his goals in the CL was a penalty - and he also missed a penalty at a crucial time. I'm not having a go at him by any means - if you look through my posts they are all positive in regards to Moussa and I think he is brilliant but just trying to look at it from an outsiders point of view. By contrast - Martial went for £36m and had already been capped by France and played in a league where big fee's are notorious. Is it maybe fair to say that if you are a £30m player then at 20 year old you should be playing international football? I get that there is a lot of competition to get in the France squad...
What does it matter if one of his goals was a penalty? He won that penalty. 3 goals in 4 champions league games isn't bad. That's to add to his goals in the qualifiers too. I think when you are asking for £30m for a striker then he will be judged mainly on how many goals he scores from open play - that's why it matters IMO.
He's scored 2 goals from open play in the Champions League and 1 of them was offside.
My point is that for a player playing in Scotland to go for £30m then he needs to be an absolute stand out in the CL. Dembele has been a stand out for us and has been good by anyones standards but is it enough to get £30m? I'm not so sure.
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What does it matter if one of his goals was a penalty? He won that penalty. 3 goals in 4 champions league games isn't bad. That's to add to his goals in the qualifiers too.
I think when you are asking for £30m for a striker then he will be judged mainly on how many goals he scores from open play - that's why it matters IMO. He's scored 2 goals from open play in the Champions League and 1 of them was offside. My point is that for a player playing in Scotland to go for £30m then he needs to be an absolute stand out in the CL. Dembele has been a stand out for us and has been good by anyones standards but is it enough to get £30m? I'm not so sure. Arkadiuz Milik went from Ajax for €35 million. It's not out of the question.
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What does it matter if one of his goals was a penalty? He won that penalty. 3 goals in 4 champions league games isn't bad. That's to add to his goals in the qualifiers too.
I think when you are asking for £30m for a striker then he will be judged mainly on how many goals he scores from open play - that's why it matters IMO. He's scored 2 goals from open play in the Champions League and 1 of them was offside. My point is that for a player playing in Scotland to go for £30m then he needs to be an absolute stand out in the CL. Dembele has been a stand out for us and has been good by anyones standards but is it enough to get £30m? I'm not so sure. £30m would be an absolute steal for Dembele. It's not just his finishing, it's more his movement and strength. He will also continue to become more powerful. Compare his movement to griffiths who is also a decent enough striker. Dembele is miles ahead in intelligence. If we can keep him for another season expect him to be even better next season and we can add another £10m or 15 to that valuation.
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He hasn't even been here half a season yet and we're tying ourselves in knots over the different ways that we can structure the deal to sell him. Can we just enjoy him while he's here and have all this patter when it actually looks like he's going to move? If he keeps playing so impressively and scoring in the CL and for France, that can only help his development and benefit us as he'll be a bigger threat to whoever we're playing against. There's pages and pages of posts on here from folk who see him play well and instantly think what that'll do to his transfer fee In many respects it is indicative of the situation we find our self in as a selling club Lets enjoy him whilst he is here and hope we get a few years out of him and many more trophies plus progression in the CL
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I think when you are asking for £30m for a striker then he will be judged mainly on how many goals he scores from open play - that's why it matters IMO. He's scored 2 goals from open play in the Champions League and 1 of them was offside. My point is that for a player playing in Scotland to go for £30m then he needs to be an absolute stand out in the CL. Dembele has been a stand out for us and has been good by anyones standards but is it enough to get £30m? I'm not so sure.
Arkadiuz Milik went from Ajax for €35 million. It's not out of the question. That goes back to my point earlier on about playing international football though. Milik has scored 11 in 33 international games at the age of 22 and that would have brought the price up after a cracking season at Ajax.
For Dembele to be worth anywhere near that kind of money he needs to destroy teams in the Champions League or get into the France squad. I think £20m is a fair/realistic number right now.
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