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Celtic Park Improvements; What are the board planning
Topic Started: 6 Dec 2016, 02:22 PM (323,108 Views)
samscafeamericain
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Corky Buczek
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mikebhoy
28 Nov 2017, 11:30 PM
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28 Nov 2017, 02:20 PM

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You can get a direct train from Edinburgh to Bellgrove which is a 15 minute walk from the ground. 1pm train would get you to Bellgrove for just after 2.

The parking restrictions are being implemented City-wide as far as I can tell; they’re currently in the process of rolling these out across Partick so it’s clearly part of a wider approach to remove free on street parking in high demand areas.
Then the council needs to provide public transport alternatives when they do this. GCC in terms of joined up thinking on transport is an utter scandal on this issue and have been for decades.

Once upon a time there was a man hailed as a civic transport visionary. His name was David Begg and was based in Edinburgh. His argument was is that if you annoy the car driver then it will force him out his car onto public transport. His ideas were enthusiastically embraced in councils across Scotland. Great - only problem being that unless you provide reasonable alternatives all you do is annoy the driver, increase his journey and actually make pollution worse as the driver spend longer in his car and pumps more CO2 into the atmosphere. I think Mr Begg was not so much visionary, more Rasputin.

I live on the Glasgow side of the GW/Barrhead border. CP is about ten miles away from my house. To get to CP for kick off, I'd have to leave my house at 12.40 for the train or by bus. To get home, I'm looking at around 7. Hence I take the car, but give me a reasonable public transport alternative and I would love to leave it at the house.

As Harry Brady has pointed out, GCC say they want everyone who parks around CP to take public transport whilst not seeming to realise that public transport to and from CP is already full on match day. The likelihood is that my journey times by public transport would take longer as more folk battle to get on the already full buses and trains.

Cities such as Coventry and Liverpool have decided to get rid of bus lanes as they were merely causing traffic jams and more polluting gases into the air. They were also only saving bus journey's by 5 minutes. GCC unfortunately has a totally "four legs good, two legs bad" mentality. They could patrol the parking and if folk are parking across driveways etc then fine them. As others have mentioned all this is doing is moving the problem a mile away.

Begg's vision destroyed Paisley

Begg's mentality destroyed high streets up and down the country

A few months back, Hue Whatchamacallhim, welsh news-reader, did a series of programmes looking at Wales. He went to one town that had achieved a remarkable rebirth of its town centre and its main street. Local shops had returned to the main street and the place was booming. Hue interviewed the local council leader and asked what they had done to achieve this economic miracle. The councillor admitted 2 years ago they had a highly aggressive anti car policy, but due to a change in meters there was a period of 6 weeks without the meters in operation. All local traders reported a huge boost in trading and so as an experiment they kept the meters 'out of order'. They never looked back, shops that were closed were reopened, the town centre that was dying was reinvigorated and they ripped out every meter and replanned to accommodate the driver.
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samscafeamericain
6 Jan 2018, 11:45 AM
Corky Buczek
29 Nov 2017, 12:52 PM
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28 Nov 2017, 11:30 PM

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Then the council needs to provide public transport alternatives when they do this. GCC in terms of joined up thinking on transport is an utter scandal on this issue and have been for decades.

Once upon a time there was a man hailed as a civic transport visionary. His name was David Begg and was based in Edinburgh. His argument was is that if you annoy the car driver then it will force him out his car onto public transport. His ideas were enthusiastically embraced in councils across Scotland. Great - only problem being that unless you provide reasonable alternatives all you do is annoy the driver, increase his journey and actually make pollution worse as the driver spend longer in his car and pumps more CO2 into the atmosphere. I think Mr Begg was not so much visionary, more Rasputin.

I live on the Glasgow side of the GW/Barrhead border. CP is about ten miles away from my house. To get to CP for kick off, I'd have to leave my house at 12.40 for the train or by bus. To get home, I'm looking at around 7. Hence I take the car, but give me a reasonable public transport alternative and I would love to leave it at the house.

As Harry Brady has pointed out, GCC say they want everyone who parks around CP to take public transport whilst not seeming to realise that public transport to and from CP is already full on match day. The likelihood is that my journey times by public transport would take longer as more folk battle to get on the already full buses and trains.

Cities such as Coventry and Liverpool have decided to get rid of bus lanes as they were merely causing traffic jams and more polluting gases into the air. They were also only saving bus journey's by 5 minutes. GCC unfortunately has a totally "four legs good, two legs bad" mentality. They could patrol the parking and if folk are parking across driveways etc then fine them. As others have mentioned all this is doing is moving the problem a mile away.

Begg's vision destroyed Paisley

Begg's mentality destroyed high streets up and down the country

A few months back, Hue Whatchamacallhim, welsh news-reader, did a series of programmes looking at Wales. He went to one town that had achieved a remarkable rebirth of its town centre and its main street. Local shops had returned to the main street and the place was booming. Hue interviewed the local council leader and asked what they had done to achieve this economic miracle. The councillor admitted 2 years ago they had a highly aggressive anti car policy, but due to a change in meters there was a period of 6 weeks without the meters in operation. All local traders reported a huge boost in trading and so as an experiment they kept the meters 'out of order'. They never looked back, shops that were closed were reopened, the town centre that was dying was reinvigorated and they ripped out every meter and replanned to accommodate the driver.
You do need some parking restrictions. Last year in Stirling, the police decided to withdraw their provisions to provide traffic wardens to the town. The council, being the council, took almost a year to set up its own force (we now have parking enforcement officers rather than traffic wardens). So, there was a year of a free for all parking in the town. If the coppers drove by and spotted someone on zigzags or maybe a disabled bay, they might have done something about it but they'd have to have been really bored.

What happened was anyone who worked in town drove in and parked as close as possible to their work. Didn't matter if it was on pavement or double yellows. It was pandemonium. There were times when I wanted to nip into town for a haircut or to pick something up from a shop and couldn't near to where I wanted to go. Best for parking in town is free for 30-60 minutes then metered thereafter. And parking officers that are there to ease the flow of traffic rather than collect money from the council.

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It's Forrest Developments doing the hotel down at the SECC, but it's same people in control more or less :thumbsup:
Aye sorry, that's what I meant. :thumbsup:
I agree the pitch isn’t up to standard looked really bad in the Sevco game.
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Is the pitch getting re-laid over the winter break? I'm certain it was mentioned the new Desso foundations got done in the summer with a new pitch, then a new pitch at winter followed by the Desso getting completed during the summer break.
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jamiebhoy76
7 Jan 2018, 05:52 PM
Is the pitch getting re-laid over the winter break? I'm certain it was mentioned the new Desso foundations got done in the summer with a new pitch, then a new pitch at winter followed by the Desso getting completed during the summer break.
That was the way it was to happen, but recent pictures suggested the pitch was being treated with lamps rather than relaid. The Desso definitely gets installed come summer.
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fatboab
7 Jan 2018, 06:16 PM
jamiebhoy76
7 Jan 2018, 05:52 PM
Is the pitch getting re-laid over the winter break? I'm certain it was mentioned the new Desso foundations got done in the summer with a new pitch, then a new pitch at winter followed by the Desso getting completed during the summer break.
That was the way it was to happen, but recent pictures suggested the pitch was being treated with lamps rather than relaid. The Desso definitely gets installed come summer.
The last bit gets done in the summer. The rest was done a few weeks/months into the season.
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Looks like the SAL will be sharpening his pencils and readying his FOIAs again. May he meet the same fate as before:

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/celtic/celtic-push-on-with-bid-to-buy-land-for-new-fan-zone-area-1-4721518/amp?__twitter_impression=true
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Anyone heard talk of Celtic trying to buy land for a fanzone?

Edit: seen supporters thread.
Edited by ssmith81, 11 Apr 2018, 12:35 AM.
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bmg style lights on the way

some notes from latest fans forum, ginty1888 posted

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Stadium Developments
• Pitch
- half done last summer
- synthetic grass going in this summer
- SIS pitch, more stable underfoot
- Only have 5 weeks

• Floodlights
- 25 yr old currently
- Failed UEFA standard
- BT Sport complained
- LED Phillips & coloured lights
- Elite UEFA

• PA/VA Sound System
- E, W & S stand still to be done
- Fans recorded at 112dB
- New system has to be 125dB in case of emergency

F: South Stand toilets unacceptable for most expensive tickets. No hot water or locks on doors

C: South Stand, best thing to do would be rebuild but will continue to refurb instead.

F: Potential for alcohol to be sold in stadium like Eng & Ger?

C: Club asked, politicians no go

F: Fanzone?
C: Applied for trial outside Jock Stein Stand (not area reported in papers).

F: Hotel?
C: Still looking into it & talking to potential partners

4. GCC Parking Exclusion Zone
- Despite new SNP council plans still going ahead
- Led by local communities
- Residential areas mostly
- 1km of Celtic Park
- New proposals, not same as last one
- c6,000 fans/2,000 cars displaced

Thriving Places video: https://t.co/AoT1CCC0Ed

- Club spoke to ScotRail & Buses
- No additional transport for match days
- Club looked at assisted travel from George Sq
- Very expensive & lots of regulations
- Get in touch with your local MP/MSP

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I've been saying for years that the floodlights are really poor. Not surprised at that.
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Best thing to do would be to rebuild South Stand but will continue refurbishing?

Bit silly no?
Edited by ssmith81, 14 Apr 2018, 02:25 AM.
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South stand needs rebuilding to get rid of the pillars and increase hospitality provision. Surely it would pay for itself in more sell-able seats and increased hospitality revenue.
Would also allow us to improve on the current frontage of the stadium (although I may be in a minority of one as I actually like the outside of the main stand!)
The big pillars are almost embarrassing for a club of our size, can't think of another club with a stand roof that causes so many restricted view seats. A new roof required at least?
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nearlyneillennon
14 Apr 2018, 08:00 AM
South stand needs rebuilding to get rid of the pillars and increase hospitality provision. Surely it would pay for itself in more sell-able seats and increased hospitality revenue.
Would also allow us to improve on the current frontage of the stadium (although I may be in a minority of one as I actually like the outside of the main stand!)
The big pillars are almost embarrassing for a club of our size, can't think of another club with a stand roof that causes so many restricted view seats. A new roof required at least?
Think at the moment a full new stand wont be sustainable to the board.

Can only see it happening if we get substantial sponsorship or we enter into some sort of larger European league.
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So what are the new proposals 're parking restrictions?
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South stand needs rebuilding to get rid of the pillars and increase hospitality provision. Surely it would pay for itself in more sell-able seats and increased hospitality revenue.
Would also allow us to improve on the current frontage of the stadium (although I may be in a minority of one as I actually like the outside of the main stand!)
The big pillars are almost embarrassing for a club of our size, can't think of another club with a stand roof that causes so many restricted view seats. A new roof required at least?
Think at the moment a full new stand wont be sustainable to the board.

Can only see it happening if we get substantial sponsorship or we enter into some sort of larger European league.
We don't have to go mad and make it the same as the other stands, that would be unsustainable unless, like you say our circumstances change.
Keep capacity about the same but with a load of corporate boxes, improved fan facilities and a decent roof!

Unless the board don't want to build a 'small' new stand now then have to rip it down in a few years to build a 72,000 seater when we get into the EPL?! :naught:
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nearlyneillennon
14 Apr 2018, 08:11 AM
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14 Apr 2018, 08:02 AM
nearlyneillennon
14 Apr 2018, 08:00 AM
South stand needs rebuilding to get rid of the pillars and increase hospitality provision. Surely it would pay for itself in more sell-able seats and increased hospitality revenue.
Would also allow us to improve on the current frontage of the stadium (although I may be in a minority of one as I actually like the outside of the main stand!)
The big pillars are almost embarrassing for a club of our size, can't think of another club with a stand roof that causes so many restricted view seats. A new roof required at least?
Think at the moment a full new stand wont be sustainable to the board.

Can only see it happening if we get substantial sponsorship or we enter into some sort of larger European league.
We don't have to go mad and make it the same as the other stands, that would be unsustainable unless, like you say our circumstances change.
Keep capacity about the same but with a load of corporate boxes, improved fan facilities and a decent roof!

Unless the board don't want to build a 'small' new stand now then have to rip it down in a few years to build a 72,000 seater when we get into the EPL?! :naught:
Think it all must come down to cost. Prioritising a hotel and museum over a new south stand makes more sense, as does building a permanent fanzone. Regardless of the fact the south stand is old, the stadium is pretty magnificent and every club in Europe agrees.

Improving the area around Celtic Park - for me - has to come first. A renovation of the South Stand will be relatively cheap compared to the other option and if done properly could be really great.
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We don't have to go mad and make it the same as the other stands, that would be unsustainable unless, like you say our circumstances change.
Keep capacity about the same but with a load of corporate boxes, improved fan facilities and a decent roof!

Unless the board don't want to build a 'small' new stand now then have to rip it down in a few years to build a 72,000 seater when we get into the EPL?! :naught:
Think it all must come down to cost. Prioritising a hotel and museum over a new south stand makes more sense, as does building a permanent fanzone. Regardless of the fact the south stand is old, the stadium is pretty magnificent and every club in Europe agrees.

Improving the area around Celtic Park - for me - has to come first. A renovation of the South Stand will be relatively cheap compared to the other option and if done properly could be really great.
Im pretty sure plans for a new South Stand will be looked into once we get the hotel and museum up and running next year :thumbsup:
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I like the south stand,it's nearly quaint.The hotel should be a priority .Some outfit will make money from one in that area soon ,it might as well be Celtic .
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South stand is terrible for a club of Celtic’s stature. Facilities are shocking, as are the provisions for the press. Most expensive seats in the stadium and these fans still get relocated for UEFA matches.
Edited by Peco, 14 Apr 2018, 01:39 PM.
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Altering the main stand could be difficult. Is it not a listed building?
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