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Celtic Park Improvements; What are the board planning
Topic Started: 6 Dec 2016, 02:22 PM (323,112 Views)
Monthecandy
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Glasgow Camlachie was a Westminster constituency from 1885 to 1955.
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I emailed council to complain about proposed match day parking restriction. I got this reply today...

MESSAGE SENT ON BEHALF OF DIVISIONAL MANAGER, TECHNICAL SERVICES, LAND AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES.

Thank you for your under noted email.

I can advise that these parking controls are designed to prevent those attending events and football games at Celtic Park and the Emirates Arena from parking within the surrounding residential areas.

The significant attendance at events can attract many extra vehicles towards these venues, where, despite public transport provisions, surrounding residential areas seem to be an easy option for those looking to park for the duration of an event. For this reason, and due to the nature and frequency of these events, then this type of parking scheme is being proposed during relevant events only.

These restrictions will be mainly in residential areas. Parking within these areas will be permitted to permit holders only.

This scheme should effectively discourage all other motorists, who may be attending an event at Celtic Park/Emirates Arena, from using the area as a car park to the detriment of road safety and the general amenity of the area.

I can advise that we have been engaging with SPT, bus and rail operators to seek improvements in public transport provision during football games. Reducing traffic in the area would have an improvement in existing bus services operating in the area as the roads would be less congested, thus making it easier for buses to travel around the area. Further meetings will be held to progress any possible improvements.

I trust the foregoing is of assistance; If responding please do so directly to land@glasgow.gov.uk


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so it looks like the parking restrictions are going to happen, and there is no way that public transport will be able to cope
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26 Nov 2017, 12:30 PM
RoyAitken
24 Nov 2017, 09:59 PM
The man on here who can answer where Camlachie starts and ends is Four Leaf Clover.

Apart from being a Celtic historian, he is also into the history of the area.

Personally, I always see the end of Camlachie being the new road behind the JS stand.
My birth lines say i was born in the Parish/barony of Camlachie and probably if you looked at Tommy Burns who was born 3 weeks before and less than a mile away from me, it would also say Camlachie.

Camlachie would be considered a small place now but back in 1892 when Celtic opened their 2nd football park Camlachie would have stretched from the Calton to near Parkhead Cross and from parts of Duke St to near London road at Bridgeton.

To try and answer the OP question "was or is Celtic park in Camlachie or Parkhead?|" i would say the answer is Camlachie. Our clubs address was Janefield street when the park just opened, when you consider Camlachie cooperage, Camlachie Jail/School/etc were all within a stones throw of the Pavilion at Celtic Park.

I have highlighted where i and Tommy Burns was born and the actual Camlachie Steet.

This cracking site by a real Parkhead historian tells you a lot more than i could ever ;)

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http://parkheadhistory.com/surrounding-areas/camlachie/

Genuinely interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.

Begs the question...

If this is all Camlachie, what is considered Barrowfield? :ponder:
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F.L.C did you know T B when he lived in Soho St,and did he wear glasses when he was young?
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Is Camlachie not the area around Millerston St / the Louden?? Also has anyone heard of the area close to Celtic Park called Egypt?
Egypt showed up on old maps.
Would now be called Lilybank basically the scheme facing the Celtic Social Club.
Think it was the name a farm or was it a coal mine?
Just checked...Egypt is eastern side of Tollcross Park (Dalness St). I don’t think it really ever existed as an area ‘though.

Area opposite the Social Club (presumably you mean the one next to old Belvedere hospital and training ground?) would be Braidfauld, no? Mind you, I would have called that Tollcross or Parkhead as a kid.

There’s probably an old Glasgow city council ward map that’ll have them all marked.
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ChiliPepper
27 Nov 2017, 09:15 PM
I emailed council to complain about proposed match day parking restriction. I got this reply today...

MESSAGE SENT ON BEHALF OF DIVISIONAL MANAGER, TECHNICAL SERVICES, LAND AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES.

Thank you for your under noted email.

I can advise that these parking controls are designed to prevent those attending events and football games at Celtic Park and the Emirates Arena from parking within the surrounding residential areas.

The significant attendance at events can attract many extra vehicles towards these venues, where, despite public transport provisions, surrounding residential areas seem to be an easy option for those looking to park for the duration of an event. For this reason, and due to the nature and frequency of these events, then this type of parking scheme is being proposed during relevant events only.

These restrictions will be mainly in residential areas. Parking within these areas will be permitted to permit holders only.

This scheme should effectively discourage all other motorists, who may be attending an event at Celtic Park/Emirates Arena, from using the area as a car park to the detriment of road safety and the general amenity of the area.

I can advise that we have been engaging with SPT, bus and rail operators to seek improvements in public transport provision during football games. Reducing traffic in the area would have an improvement in existing bus services operating in the area as the roads would be less congested, thus making it easier for buses to travel around the area. Further meetings will be held to progress any possible improvements.

I trust the foregoing is of assistance; If responding please do so directly to land@glasgow.gov.uk


What a load of nonsense and BS. If you have an issue with people parking on street provide an alternative. End of. if cars are parked dangerously enforce the legislation which exists to address it.
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If they enforce parking restrictions it will just move the problem to other streets and neighbourhoods outside the zone. I assume the residents of those areas will have something to say about it.
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four-leaf-clover
26 Nov 2017, 12:30 PM
RoyAitken
24 Nov 2017, 09:59 PM
The man on here who can answer where Camlachie starts and ends is Four Leaf Clover.

Apart from being a Celtic historian, he is also into the history of the area.

Personally, I always see the end of Camlachie being the new road behind the JS stand.
My birth lines say i was born in the Parish/barony of Camlachie and probably if you looked at Tommy Burns who was born 3 weeks before and less than a mile away from me, it would also say Camlachie.

Camlachie would be considered a small place now but back in 1892 when Celtic opened their 2nd football park Camlachie would have stretched from the Calton to near Parkhead Cross and from parts of Duke St to near London road at Bridgeton.

To try and answer the OP question "was or is Celtic park in Camlachie or Parkhead?|" i would say the answer is Camlachie. Our clubs address was Janefield street when the park just opened, when you consider Camlachie cooperage, Camlachie Jail/School/etc were all within a stones throw of the Pavilion at Celtic Park.

I have highlighted where i and Tommy Burns was born and the actual Camlachie Steet.

This cracking site by a real Parkhead historian tells you a lot more than i could ever ;)

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http://parkheadhistory.com/surrounding-areas/camlachie/

I remember listening to a radio documentary about Beardmore's expanding into steelworks in China.

Seemingly if the guys who worked in the Parkhead Forge wanted a piece of machinery moved very, very slightly to the left or the right they would shout out the order" A hair to Camlachie!" or "A hair to Parkhead!" to their workmates.

When the decision was made to open a steelworks in China some Chinese workers were brought over to Parkhead to learn how to operate the equipment & then some time after the Chinese plant opened their Scottish counterparts went over to see how the Chinese were getting on.

When they got into the Chinese factory they were surprised to hear the Chinese workers shouting "A hair to Camlachie!" or "A hair to Parkhead" to one another - the Chinese had heard it being shouted in Scotland & just assumed it was some sort of technical instruction. :lol:
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Martoto
22 Nov 2017, 05:48 PM
Was always told by my da that the stadium is in Camlachie. Not Parkhead.
I used to play for Camlachie Stanklifters
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24 Nov 2017, 01:15 PM
what happened to the planned deila dome at lennoxtown, thought that was supposed to be happening this year
I think that's been scrapped and we have to make do with a new full size indoor pitch instead that Brendan wants instead.
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Edited by Martoto, 28 Nov 2017, 01:28 PM.
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27 Nov 2017, 10:48 PM
ChiliPepper
27 Nov 2017, 09:15 PM
I emailed council to complain about proposed match day parking restriction. I got this reply today...

MESSAGE SENT ON BEHALF OF DIVISIONAL MANAGER, TECHNICAL SERVICES, LAND AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES.

Thank you for your under noted email.

I can advise that these parking controls are designed to prevent those attending events and football games at Celtic Park and the Emirates Arena from parking within the surrounding residential areas.

The significant attendance at events can attract many extra vehicles towards these venues, where, despite public transport provisions, surrounding residential areas seem to be an easy option for those looking to park for the duration of an event. For this reason, and due to the nature and frequency of these events, then this type of parking scheme is being proposed during relevant events only.

These restrictions will be mainly in residential areas. Parking within these areas will be permitted to permit holders only.

This scheme should effectively discourage all other motorists, who may be attending an event at Celtic Park/Emirates Arena, from using the area as a car park to the detriment of road safety and the general amenity of the area.

I can advise that we have been engaging with SPT, bus and rail operators to seek improvements in public transport provision during football games. Reducing traffic in the area would have an improvement in existing bus services operating in the area as the roads would be less congested, thus making it easier for buses to travel around the area. Further meetings will be held to progress any possible improvements.

I trust the foregoing is of assistance; If responding please do so directly to land@glasgow.gov.uk


What a load of nonsense and BS. If you have an issue with people parking on street provide an alternative. End of. if cars are parked dangerously enforce the legislation which exists to address it.
Exactly. This is just a disaster for fans who have any distance to travel or are not particularly mobile.
I travel from Edinburgh and my options are
1. drive - I generally leave at 1pm and get back about 6. I am away for 5 hours.
2. supporters bus - I need to get into City centre. I would need to leave my house at 12 and not get back until 7 ish.
3. Train - as above but probably takes a bit longer.
Golf is in decline (amongst other things) because people just cannot justify the time taken for a round. If I had to add 2 hours onto my day then I would need to think about whether I can justify this on a weekly basis. I could park outside the zone but how long before the cordon is extended and my Dad struggles with walking any great distances.
I can understand the frustration of locals but if someone is parking irresponsibly, there is legislation in force to deal with that.
I suspect this will happen but the Club should be taking a lead on this. Celtic is also very good for the area and this should not be underestimated.
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medwaygerry1
27 Nov 2017, 09:55 PM
F.L.C did you know T B when he lived in Soho St,and did he wear glasses when he was young?
Yes i knew Tam, he was in my class ( that was the class with 10,000 in it :rocker: )

Rather i was in his class as he was there before me as i had came from St Marks Shettleston when it closed and moved to St Andrews.

I don't remember him wearing specs but he did have them, even in 1971/72 Tam was a very skilful player who played for the Mary guild and Eastercraigs who was the team everybody wanted to play for, it was around about that time Celtic came in for him.

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27 Nov 2017, 09:27 PM
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26 Nov 2017, 12:30 PM
RoyAitken
24 Nov 2017, 09:59 PM
The man on here who can answer where Camlachie starts and ends is Four Leaf Clover.

Apart from being a Celtic historian, he is also into the history of the area.

Personally, I always see the end of Camlachie being the new road behind the JS stand.
My birth lines say i was born in the Parish/barony of Camlachie and probably if you looked at Tommy Burns who was born 3 weeks before and less than a mile away from me, it would also say Camlachie.

Camlachie would be considered a small place now but back in 1892 when Celtic opened their 2nd football park Camlachie would have stretched from the Calton to near Parkhead Cross and from parts of Duke St to near London road at Bridgeton.

To try and answer the OP question "was or is Celtic park in Camlachie or Parkhead?|" i would say the answer is Camlachie. Our clubs address was Janefield street when the park just opened, when you consider Camlachie cooperage, Camlachie Jail/School/etc were all within a stones throw of the Pavilion at Celtic Park.

I have highlighted where i and Tommy Burns was born and the actual Camlachie Steet.

This cracking site by a real Parkhead historian tells you a lot more than i could ever ;)

Posted Image

http://parkheadhistory.com/surrounding-areas/camlachie/

Genuinely interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.

Begs the question...

If this is all Camlachie, what is considered Barrowfield? :ponder:
In 1892 when CP2 opened there was no Barrowfield housing estate and all of that Stamford St Barrowfield St etc would have come under Camlachie :thumbsup:

In later years when the housing estate went up , only a railway line separated Celtic Park from Barrowfield, infact you could have tied a washing line from Davaar or Dalserf Street to the turnstiles of Celtic park.

Friends of mine stayed in them verandah houses in Janefield St that looked onto Celtic park ( Ian Ferguson stayed there) They lived in Camlachie not and Barrowfield not Parkhead. That's why i say CP2 address was Janefield St Camlachie.
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jmhgg
28 Nov 2017, 02:20 PM
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27 Nov 2017, 10:48 PM
ChiliPepper
27 Nov 2017, 09:15 PM
I emailed council to complain about proposed match day parking restriction. I got this reply today...

MESSAGE SENT ON BEHALF OF DIVISIONAL MANAGER, TECHNICAL SERVICES, LAND AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES.

Thank you for your under noted email.

I can advise that these parking controls are designed to prevent those attending events and football games at Celtic Park and the Emirates Arena from parking within the surrounding residential areas.

The significant attendance at events can attract many extra vehicles towards these venues, where, despite public transport provisions, surrounding residential areas seem to be an easy option for those looking to park for the duration of an event. For this reason, and due to the nature and frequency of these events, then this type of parking scheme is being proposed during relevant events only.

These restrictions will be mainly in residential areas. Parking within these areas will be permitted to permit holders only.

This scheme should effectively discourage all other motorists, who may be attending an event at Celtic Park/Emirates Arena, from using the area as a car park to the detriment of road safety and the general amenity of the area.

I can advise that we have been engaging with SPT, bus and rail operators to seek improvements in public transport provision during football games. Reducing traffic in the area would have an improvement in existing bus services operating in the area as the roads would be less congested, thus making it easier for buses to travel around the area. Further meetings will be held to progress any possible improvements.

I trust the foregoing is of assistance; If responding please do so directly to land@glasgow.gov.uk


What a load of nonsense and BS. If you have an issue with people parking on street provide an alternative. End of. if cars are parked dangerously enforce the legislation which exists to address it.
Exactly. This is just a disaster for fans who have any distance to travel or are not particularly mobile.
I travel from Edinburgh and my options are
1. drive - I generally leave at 1pm and get back about 6. I am away for 5 hours.
2. supporters bus - I need to get into City centre. I would need to leave my house at 12 and not get back until 7 ish.
3. Train - as above but probably takes a bit longer.
Golf is in decline (amongst other things) because people just cannot justify the time taken for a round. If I had to add 2 hours onto my day then I would need to think about whether I can justify this on a weekly basis. I could park outside the zone but how long before the cordon is extended and my Dad struggles with walking any great distances.
I can understand the frustration of locals but if someone is parking irresponsibly, there is legislation in force to deal with that.
I suspect this will happen but the Club should be taking a lead on this. Celtic is also very good for the area and this should not be underestimated.
You can get a direct train from Edinburgh to Bellgrove which is a 15 minute walk from the ground. 1pm train would get you to Bellgrove for just after 2.

The parking restrictions are being implemented City-wide as far as I can tell; they’re currently in the process of rolling these out across Partick so it’s clearly part of a wider approach to remove free on street parking in high demand areas.
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This is another anti-Celtic move.
Glasgow City Council are a shower of bastards.

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28 Nov 2017, 11:21 PM
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four-leaf-clover
26 Nov 2017, 12:30 PM
Genuinely interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.

Begs the question...

If this is all Camlachie, what is considered Barrowfield? :ponder:
In 1892 when CP2 opened there was no Barrowfield housing estate and all of that Stamford St Barrowfield St etc would have come under Camlachie :thumbsup:

In later years when the housing estate went up , only a railway line separated Celtic Park from Barrowfield, infact you could have tied a washing line from Davaar or Dalserf Street to the turnstiles of Celtic park.

Friends of mine stayed in them verandah houses in Janefield St that looked onto Celtic park ( Ian Ferguson stayed there) They lived in Camlachie not and Barrowfield not Parkhead. That's why i say CP2 address was Janefield St Camlachie.
So Barrowfield was strictly the scheme, and not an area as such?

makes sense.

So referencing your map above, what streets would you say were the boundaries of Barrowfield?
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Exactly. This is just a disaster for fans who have any distance to travel or are not particularly mobile.
I travel from Edinburgh and my options are
1. drive - I generally leave at 1pm and get back about 6. I am away for 5 hours.
2. supporters bus - I need to get into City centre. I would need to leave my house at 12 and not get back until 7 ish.
3. Train - as above but probably takes a bit longer.
Golf is in decline (amongst other things) because people just cannot justify the time taken for a round. If I had to add 2 hours onto my day then I would need to think about whether I can justify this on a weekly basis. I could park outside the zone but how long before the cordon is extended and my Dad struggles with walking any great distances.
I can understand the frustration of locals but if someone is parking irresponsibly, there is legislation in force to deal with that.
I suspect this will happen but the Club should be taking a lead on this. Celtic is also very good for the area and this should not be underestimated.
You can get a direct train from Edinburgh to Bellgrove which is a 15 minute walk from the ground. 1pm train would get you to Bellgrove for just after 2.

The parking restrictions are being implemented City-wide as far as I can tell; they’re currently in the process of rolling these out across Partick so it’s clearly part of a wider approach to remove free on street parking in high demand areas.
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