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Celtic Park Improvements; What are the board planning
Topic Started: 6 Dec 2016, 02:22 PM (323,134 Views)
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richiebhoy1888
7 Jun 2017, 12:30 PM
The Parken Stadium is decent example of what could be done .All 4 stands are the same size and symmetrical but one stand behind the goals only has a bottom tier of normal seats, the area above which obviously would be the top tier is entirely executive boxes . I'd post a pic but don't know how to 😳
I think you mean this?


Parken Stadium



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Edited by searcher52, 7 Jun 2017, 02:02 PM.
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7 Jun 2017, 01:56 PM
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7 Jun 2017, 10:19 AM
One minute we complain about ticket prices, and that the ordinary man is being priced out of football, and the next we're falling over ourselves to increase the amount of corporate seats in a newly created stand :lol:
Don't know if you wilfully missed the point, but creating vastly greater revenues from corporate allows you to offset pricing elsewhere. It is the model used in Germany and part of the reason Gladbach, for example, can offer €180 full adult season tickets.

Of course the other part is a good TV deal and high ad revenue, but they are not mutually exclusive.

If you look at most of the Bundesliga clubs, they have corporate areas that make ours pale into insignificance by comparison. Is that a barrier to Celtic generating more revenue? Absolutely.

It is also just simple logic that a larger capacity means you can put more tickets on sale in other areas of the stadium at prices that are much more accessible to fans, knowing that you are offsetting by generating higher yield from a bigger and better corporate area.

In our specific case, the cost of rebuilding the Main Stand would undoubtedly be substantial and the business case potentially prohibitive. Depends on whether they could prove further demand exists. But I am really not getting what is so wrong with the rationale behind the concept? :ponder: It is one used the world over in business models for sport stadia, and it's absolutely bonkers to say that Scotland is in some way different.

I say this as a "regular" season ticket holder and having been in the lounges about half a dozen times in my life, but the bottom line is for a so called top club, Celtic's hospitality offer is way behind some of their CL peers (being ahead in Scotland means nothing) and it likely prevents the club a better revenue stream.
I wasn't being entirely serious - but someone was complaining that it took them ages too get out of their seat and out of the stadium in the South Stand and compared that to the free movement (of people, pish, cans of lager etc.) in the old jungle. From reminiscing about that, to expanding the stadium so that there's more corporate seats tickled me.

Given that it's been mentioned, I'm sure the corporate dudes would "get first dibs on cup final/hearts/Aberdeen tickets" so it'll bring in income which is great. It'll potentially increase the number of normal punters that go to our home games, and then mean that even less of them get Cup Final tickets (both because there's more normal punters trying to get Cup Final tickets, and also more corporates at the front of the queue for them). That's also weird that these extra attendees at our home games might become a an illustration of, and a victim of the club's increased success.
The bread and butter of any league season for Celtic are 38 league games split home and away, anything between 6 and 12 European games split home and away, and a handful of cup ties, unevenly split home and away as per cup draws, that maybe five times out of ten will lead to a cup final.

In the last six years we've got to five domestic cup finals out of 12. In that time the club has played 320 competitive games, roughly half at home. An enormous 1.5% of these games have been cup finals.

It sounds like what you are saying is that, as a potential future strategy, Celtic should completely ignore the potentially much greater revenue stream that comes with expanding the stadium (and hospitality) for the 95%+ of games that are home Celtic fixtures, because of some worries over who'll get Cup Final tickets, on the 8 or 9 times per decade we'll get to one. :lol: That is simply bonkers.
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7 Jun 2017, 02:00 PM
richiebhoy1888
7 Jun 2017, 12:30 PM
The Parken Stadium is decent example of what could be done .All 4 stands are the same size and symmetrical but one stand behind the goals only has a bottom tier of normal seats, the area above which obviously would be the top tier is entirely executive boxes . I'd post a pic but don't know how to 😳
I think you mean this?


Parken Stadium



Edit to add link - properly!
That's the one 👍 Doesn't have to be exactly like that but it's just an example of what could be done
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6 Jun 2017, 01:51 PM

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Spurs are installing a craft brewery, a bakery and a cheese making thing.

No thanks
Yes, please.

Why would you not want these things?

Give me all the craft beer and cheese. In fact, Celtic should brew its own beer.

Better than a microwave nuked pie of undefinable meat and an instant coffee with powdered milk.

Make it happen, Peter. :rocker:
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I wasn't being entirely serious - but someone was complaining that it took them ages too get out of their seat and out of the stadium in the South Stand and compared that to the free movement (of people, pish, cans of lager etc.) in the old jungle. From reminiscing about that, to expanding the stadium so that there's more corporate seats tickled me.

Given that it's been mentioned, I'm sure the corporate dudes would "get first dibs on cup final/hearts/Aberdeen tickets" so it'll bring in income which is great. It'll potentially increase the number of normal punters that go to our home games, and then mean that even less of them get Cup Final tickets (both because there's more normal punters trying to get Cup Final tickets, and also more corporates at the front of the queue for them). That's also weird that these extra attendees at our home games might become a an illustration of, and a victim of the club's increased success.
The bread and butter of any league season for Celtic are 38 league games split home and away, anything between 6 and 12 European games split home and away, and a handful of cup ties, unevenly split home and away as per cup draws, that maybe five times out of ten will lead to a cup final.

In the last six years we've got to five domestic cup finals out of 12. In that time the club has played 320 competitive games, roughly half at home. An enormous 1.5% of these games have been cup finals.

It sounds like what you are saying is that, as a potential future strategy, Celtic should completely ignore the potentially much greater revenue stream that comes with expanding the stadium (and hospitality) for the 95%+ of games that are home Celtic fixtures, because of some worries over who'll get Cup Final tickets, on the 8 or 9 times per decade we'll get to one. :lol: That is simply bonkers.
I originally made the ticket point and my tongue was planted in my cheek. I actually agree that we should expand corporate if there is a clear business case for doing it. However, I am also aware of the issue of tickets and I don't know how we deal with the increase in corporate demand for tickets for the usual games while still being fair to the ordinary fans. I don't think this should have too big an influence on the decision and is probably a bit of a tangential point. Maybe we reduce the price of normal tickets as they won't get a sniff at the big tickets?
Anyway, carry on. Sarcasm does not work on the internet!
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richiebhoy1888
7 Jun 2017, 12:30 PM
The Parken Stadium is decent example of what could be done .All 4 stands are the same size and symmetrical but one stand behind the goals only has a bottom tier of normal seats, the area above which obviously would be the top tier is entirely executive boxes . I'd post a pic but don't know how to 😳
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7 Jun 2017, 01:56 PM
Forza
7 Jun 2017, 11:28 AM

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I wasn't being entirely serious - but someone was complaining that it took them ages too get out of their seat and out of the stadium in the South Stand and compared that to the free movement (of people, pish, cans of lager etc.) in the old jungle. From reminiscing about that, to expanding the stadium so that there's more corporate seats tickled me.

Given that it's been mentioned, I'm sure the corporate dudes would "get first dibs on cup final/hearts/Aberdeen tickets" so it'll bring in income which is great. It'll potentially increase the number of normal punters that go to our home games, and then mean that even less of them get Cup Final tickets (both because there's more normal punters trying to get Cup Final tickets, and also more corporates at the front of the queue for them). That's also weird that these extra attendees at our home games might become an illustration of, and a victim of the club's increased success.
The bread and butter of any league season for Celtic are 38 league games split home and away, anything between 6 and 12 European games split home and away, and a handful of cup ties, unevenly split home and away as per cup draws, that maybe five times out of ten will lead to a cup final.

In the last six years we've got to five domestic cup finals out of 12. In that time the club has played 320 competitive games, roughly half at home. An enormous 1.5% of these games have been cup finals.

It sounds like what you are saying is that, as a potential future strategy, Celtic should completely ignore the potentially much greater revenue stream that comes with expanding the stadium (and hospitality) for the 95%+ of games that are home Celtic fixtures, because of some worries over who'll get Cup Final tickets, on the 8 or 9 times per decade we'll get to one. :lol: That is simply bonkers.
I've said elsewhere that I don't think the stadium needs expanding, but I don't think I've put it into the context of my replies here that you've quoted. I've merely pointed out a couple of contradictions, if I can call them that, so I've not said that they're a basis for not expanding the stadium. Just that if we do, it comes at a cost that might not be immediately apparent.

I like the fact that you're calculating total games, potential income for each etc. to try to quantify the benefit of this increased capacity as it shows you're putting thought into it. You are also putting words into my mouth though. I've said eff all about what I think our future strategy should be. Only that if we're so successful that we can afford to expand and fill our stadium capacity, that we get more income, but we also then get accustomed to getting 70,000 home fans at a cup game at Celtic Park and of those, only 19,000 will get a ticket for Hampden. Compared to the 19,000 that attended the most recent game against Aberdeen, there might also be a larger proportion of corporate seats.

As before, none of this is a reason not to expand our own capacity if we're certain we'll make the money back in a reasonable amount of time - it's just a cost that comes with it that might not immediately spring to mind.
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7 Jun 2017, 04:20 PM
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7 Jun 2017, 12:30 PM
The Parken Stadium is decent example of what could be done .All 4 stands are the same size and symmetrical but one stand behind the goals only has a bottom tier of normal seats, the area above which obviously would be the top tier is entirely executive boxes . I'd post a pic but don't know how to 😳
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looks shampooe
Perhaps it would look better along the side where ours would be as opposed to behind a goal?? Anyway I'm not advocating this design, it's just to give an idea of what could be done .
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St Pauli kind of have one (they have it in a corner)


the lowest part of it, is a kindergarden, so they kids looks out over Millerntor each day




https://www.fcstpauli.com/en/news/published/external-media-welcome-to-the-world-s-coolest-kindergarten/


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What's the lifespan of a football stadium? Would Celtic build a new South Stand as the first part of a new stadium?
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7 Jun 2017, 06:19 PM
What's the lifespan of a football stadium? Would Celtic build a new South Stand as the first part of a new stadium?
Well the coliseum in Rome is over 2'000 years old - although I am not sure how many Lazio - Roma derbies they have played there.
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Any chance of re sizing those pictures ? Stretches out the page something awful .
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please put enormous pics in spoilers, makes the thread unreadable
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7 Jun 2017, 07:42 PM
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What's the lifespan of a football stadium? Would Celtic build a new South Stand as the first part of a new stadium?
Well the coliseum in Rome is over 2'000 years old - although I am not sure how many Lazio - Roma derbies they have played there.
Remarkable how little has changed in terms of the skeleton of a stadium from then until now. Not a bad seat in the house, from what I could tell.
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No matter what, it will always be Parkheid :rocker:



EDIT: Thanks to Moravcik :thumbsup: who's on here.

One of the best vids i've seen with a great soundtrack.

' WE ARE CELTIC ' :worthy:
It has never been Parkhead! ;)

Fantastic video. :worthy:
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This is why we're here.
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That looks Rank. :boik:
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No word on the Health Spa for those far travelled Irish lads?
That would be in the hotel no?
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What's the lifespan of a football stadium? Would Celtic build a new South Stand as the first part of a new stadium?
50 years I hope. No reason to change what we have drastically for another 30 years, surely? New toilets and facade, sure.
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