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Celtic Park Improvements; What are the board planning
Topic Started: 6 Dec 2016, 02:22 PM (323,135 Views)
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Wouldn't be against increasing the capacity to a realistic level but building the stand in such a way another tier could easily be added if and when needed.
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6 Jun 2017, 07:20 PM
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6 Jun 2017, 10:52 AM

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Spurs new stadium will take their corporate experience up at least another notch from the Emirates. They don't have more fans than Arsenal but they'll undoubtedly create more revenue from it come 2018/19.

It's as much about having the infrastructure in place for when it is needed: it's as much about what the additional yield is per client/person, as it is additional number of new corporate spaces. So it's less about trying to ensure 95% occupancy for games against Kilmarnock, and ensuring the rate paid for a massively improved Main Stand experience is incoming for the games it will be in demand for: CL or EL, Sevco and other important matches.

You can see now simply on this thread the number of folk who have season books for the main stand talk about how cramped it is, the lack of facilities and access/egress problems. This is the front door of Celtic Park, don't forget.

I'd argue that the facilities in there pale into insignificance to many other clubs we are likely attempting to compete with eventually at CL level: Basel, Benfica, Porto, Besiktas are only four good examples. Even look at the number of boxes etc at Borussia Park when we played there. No amount of lounge access in the North Stand is making up for the complete disadvantage we have in comparison. As I've said, these changes potentially also allow you to increase safe standing and improve/increase stadium access to disabled supporters. Any improved Main Stand may also stop North Stand season ticket holders being moved for CL sponsors.

If we don't keep going forward, we are by definition going backwards given what is going on elsewhere. It should undoubtedly be a long term ambition of the club to make viable structural changes to a stadium that has not had anything major done to its interior since 1998, aside from safe standing.
Spurs are installing a craft brewery, a bakery and a cheese making thing.

No thanks
A glass tunnel as well so you can see your favourite player pick his nose/scratch his arse before he goes onto the pitch.
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Surely a statue of Craig Whyte holding up the pound that bought the Huns needs to be added to the list
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Surely a statue of Craig Whyte holding up the pound that bought the Huns needs to be added to the list
All new statues at CP are to be housed in the 40,000 capacity underground St. Patrick's Basilica. :pray:
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One minute we complain about ticket prices, and that the ordinary man is being priced out of football, and the next we're falling over ourselves to increase the amount of corporate seats in a newly created stand :lol:
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One minute we complain about ticket prices, and that the ordinary man is being priced out of football, and the next we're falling over ourselves to increase the amount of corporate seats in a newly created stand :lol:
That doesn't really follow though. Much better that the club extracts maximum revenue from the corporate seats than passing on price increases to ordinary punters.
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6 Jun 2017, 07:20 PM
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6 Jun 2017, 01:51 PM
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6 Jun 2017, 10:52 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Spurs new stadium will take their corporate experience up at least another notch from the Emirates. They don't have more fans than Arsenal but they'll undoubtedly create more revenue from it come 2018/19.

It's as much about having the infrastructure in place for when it is needed: it's as much about what the additional yield is per client/person, as it is additional number of new corporate spaces. So it's less about trying to ensure 95% occupancy for games against Kilmarnock, and ensuring the rate paid for a massively improved Main Stand experience is incoming for the games it will be in demand for: CL or EL, Sevco and other important matches.

You can see now simply on this thread the number of folk who have season books for the main stand talk about how cramped it is, the lack of facilities and access/egress problems. This is the front door of Celtic Park, don't forget.

I'd argue that the facilities in there pale into insignificance to many other clubs we are likely attempting to compete with eventually at CL level: Basel, Benfica, Porto, Besiktas are only four good examples. Even look at the number of boxes etc at Borussia Park when we played there. No amount of lounge access in the North Stand is making up for the complete disadvantage we have in comparison. As I've said, these changes potentially also allow you to increase safe standing and improve/increase stadium access to disabled supporters. Any improved Main Stand may also stop North Stand season ticket holders being moved for CL sponsors.

If we don't keep going forward, we are by definition going backwards given what is going on elsewhere. It should undoubtedly be a long term ambition of the club to make viable structural changes to a stadium that has not had anything major done to its interior since 1998, aside from safe standing.
Spurs are installing a craft brewery, a bakery and a cheese making thing.

No thanks
Yes, please.

Why would you not want these things?

Give me all the craft beer and cheese. In fact, Celtic should brew its own beer.

Better than a microwave nuked pie of undefinable meat and an instant coffee with powdered milk.

Make it happen, Peter. :rocker:
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stevie21
7 Jun 2017, 10:19 AM
One minute we complain about ticket prices, and that the ordinary man is being priced out of football, and the next we're falling over ourselves to increase the amount of corporate seats in a newly created stand :lol:
Don't know if you wilfully missed the point, but creating vastly greater revenues from corporate allows you to offset pricing elsewhere. It is the model used in Germany and part of the reason Gladbach, for example, can offer €180 full adult season tickets.

Of course the other part is a good TV deal and high ad revenue, but they are not mutually exclusive.

If you look at most of the Bundesliga clubs, they have corporate areas that make ours pale into insignificance by comparison. Is that a barrier to Celtic generating more revenue? Absolutely.

It is also just simple logic that a larger capacity means you can put more tickets on sale in other areas of the stadium at prices that are much more accessible to fans, knowing that you are offsetting by generating higher yield from a bigger and better corporate area.

In our specific case, the cost of rebuilding the Main Stand would undoubtedly be substantial and the business case potentially prohibitive. Depends on whether they could prove further demand exists. But I am really not getting what is so wrong with the rationale behind the concept? :ponder: It is one used the world over in business models for sport stadia, and it's absolutely bonkers to say that Scotland is in some way different.

I say this as a "regular" season ticket holder and having been in the lounges about half a dozen times in my life, but the bottom line is for a so called top club, Celtic's hospitality offer is way behind some of their CL peers (being ahead in Scotland means nothing) and it likely prevents the club a better revenue stream.
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Spurs are installing a craft brewery, a bakery and a cheese making thing.

No thanks
Yes, please.

Why would you not want these things?

Give me all the craft beer and cheese. In fact, Celtic should brew its own beer.

Better than a microwave nuked pie of undefinable meat and an instant coffee with powdered milk.

Make it happen, Peter. :rocker:
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7 Jun 2017, 11:28 AM
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7 Jun 2017, 10:19 AM
One minute we complain about ticket prices, and that the ordinary man is being priced out of football, and the next we're falling over ourselves to increase the amount of corporate seats in a newly created stand :lol:
Don't know if you wilfully missed the point, but creating vastly greater revenues from corporate allows you to offset pricing elsewhere. It is the model used in Germany and part of the reason Gladbach, for example, can offer €180 full adult season tickets.

Of course the other part is a good TV deal and high ad revenue, but they are not mutually exclusive.

If you look at most of the Bundesliga clubs, they have corporate areas that make ours pale into insignificance by comparison. Is that a barrier to Celtic generating more revenue? Absolutely.

It is also just simple logic that a larger capacity means you can put more tickets on sale in other areas of the stadium at prices that are much more accessible to fans, knowing that you are offsetting by generating higher yield from a bigger and better corporate area.

In our specific case, the cost of rebuilding the Main Stand would undoubtedly be substantial and the business case potentially prohibitive. Depends on whether they could prove further demand exists. But I am really not getting what is so wrong with the rationale behind the concept? :ponder: It is one used the world over in business models for sport stadia, and it's absolutely bonkers to say that Scotland is in some way different.

I say this as a "regular" season ticket holder and having been in the lounges about half a dozen times in my life, but the bottom line is for a so called top club, Celtic's hospitality offer is way behind some of their CL peers (being ahead in Scotland means nothing) and it likely prevents the club a better revenue stream.
I tried to get a season ticket for the upper main stand
just behind the directors box or thereabouts.
No chance as there is a waiting list of around 1800.
£2.5k x 1800 is a lot of money the club is missing
out on.
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7 Jun 2017, 11:37 AM
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7 Jun 2017, 11:28 AM
stevie21
7 Jun 2017, 10:19 AM
One minute we complain about ticket prices, and that the ordinary man is being priced out of football, and the next we're falling over ourselves to increase the amount of corporate seats in a newly created stand :lol:
Don't know if you wilfully missed the point, but creating vastly greater revenues from corporate allows you to offset pricing elsewhere. It is the model used in Germany and part of the reason Gladbach, for example, can offer €180 full adult season tickets.

Of course the other part is a good TV deal and high ad revenue, but they are not mutually exclusive.

If you look at most of the Bundesliga clubs, they have corporate areas that make ours pale into insignificance by comparison. Is that a barrier to Celtic generating more revenue? Absolutely.

It is also just simple logic that a larger capacity means you can put more tickets on sale in other areas of the stadium at prices that are much more accessible to fans, knowing that you are offsetting by generating higher yield from a bigger and better corporate area.

In our specific case, the cost of rebuilding the Main Stand would undoubtedly be substantial and the business case potentially prohibitive. Depends on whether they could prove further demand exists. But I am really not getting what is so wrong with the rationale behind the concept? :ponder: It is one used the world over in business models for sport stadia, and it's absolutely bonkers to say that Scotland is in some way different.

I say this as a "regular" season ticket holder and having been in the lounges about half a dozen times in my life, but the bottom line is for a so called top club, Celtic's hospitality offer is way behind some of their CL peers (being ahead in Scotland means nothing) and it likely prevents the club a better revenue stream.
I tried to get a season ticket for the upper main stand
just behind the directors box or thereabouts.
No chance as there is a waiting list of around 1800.
£2.5k x 1800 is a lot of money the club is missing
out on.
Exactly.

And I understand it's fine to be talking about this with Rodgers as manager, an unbeaten Treble in the bag and on the back of a CL campaign that got us into the Group Stage. I am aware our current status is not necessarily the norm, and that this becomes a different conversation if it is one that is had 18 months ago.

However I think the club may use the proposed hotel/museum/superstore development (if approved and built) as a starting point to something bigger regards the main stand, eventually. They are clearly not going to do both at once. Prove that any new development is successful and a good revenue stream that can contribute to future stadium development.
Edited by Forza, 7 Jun 2017, 11:50 AM.
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No word on the Health Spa for those far travelled Irish lads?
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7 Jun 2017, 11:37 AM
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7 Jun 2017, 10:19 AM
One minute we complain about ticket prices, and that the ordinary man is being priced out of football, and the next we're falling over ourselves to increase the amount of corporate seats in a newly created stand :lol:
Don't know if you wilfully missed the point, but creating vastly greater revenues from corporate allows you to offset pricing elsewhere. It is the model used in Germany and part of the reason Gladbach, for example, can offer €180 full adult season tickets.

Of course the other part is a good TV deal and high ad revenue, but they are not mutually exclusive.

If you look at most of the Bundesliga clubs, they have corporate areas that make ours pale into insignificance by comparison. Is that a barrier to Celtic generating more revenue? Absolutely.

It is also just simple logic that a larger capacity means you can put more tickets on sale in other areas of the stadium at prices that are much more accessible to fans, knowing that you are offsetting by generating higher yield from a bigger and better corporate area.

In our specific case, the cost of rebuilding the Main Stand would undoubtedly be substantial and the business case potentially prohibitive. Depends on whether they could prove further demand exists. But I am really not getting what is so wrong with the rationale behind the concept? :ponder: It is one used the world over in business models for sport stadia, and it's absolutely bonkers to say that Scotland is in some way different.

I say this as a "regular" season ticket holder and having been in the lounges about half a dozen times in my life, but the bottom line is for a so called top club, Celtic's hospitality offer is way behind some of their CL peers (being ahead in Scotland means nothing) and it likely prevents the club a better revenue stream.
I tried to get a season ticket for the upper main stand
just behind the directors box or thereabouts.
No chance as there is a waiting list of around 1800.
£2.5k x 1800 is a lot of money the club is missing
out on.
Would you not take one in the number7 or one of the North stand lounges,as there were plenty of seats available last season.
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Surely a statue of Craig Whyte holding up the pound that bought the Huns needs to be added to the list
All new statues at CP are to be housed in the 40,000 capacity underground St. Patrick's Basilica. :pray:

:lol: Is this under the new hotel or adjacent to the underground station that goes directly to the vatican
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The Parken Stadium is decent example of what could be done .All 4 stands are the same size and symmetrical but one stand behind the goals only has a bottom tier of normal seats, the area above which obviously would be the top tier is entirely executive boxes . I'd post a pic but don't know how to 😳
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I tried to get a season ticket for the upper main stand
just behind the directors box or thereabouts.
No chance as there is a waiting list of around 1800.
£2.5k x 1800 is a lot of money the club is missing
out on.
Would you not take one in the number7 or one of the North stand lounges,as there were plenty of seats available last season.
I already have a seat in 113 with my son and his pal.
I was asked by a business acquaintance to move up
beside him (a few seats along from Jamsie Cotter)
I asked if it was possible and was told of the waiting list.
I don't fancy being TST nae mates in the north stand
so I'll stay where I am.
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Yes, we need more corporate fans. As long as they don't get first dibs on cup final/hearts/Aberdeen tickets...
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To maintain the common touch our new stand should incorporate a craft bovril brewery and an artisan mince pie shoppe.
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7 Jun 2017, 11:28 AM
stevie21
7 Jun 2017, 10:19 AM
One minute we complain about ticket prices, and that the ordinary man is being priced out of football, and the next we're falling over ourselves to increase the amount of corporate seats in a newly created stand :lol:
Don't know if you wilfully missed the point, but creating vastly greater revenues from corporate allows you to offset pricing elsewhere. It is the model used in Germany and part of the reason Gladbach, for example, can offer €180 full adult season tickets.

Of course the other part is a good TV deal and high ad revenue, but they are not mutually exclusive.

If you look at most of the Bundesliga clubs, they have corporate areas that make ours pale into insignificance by comparison. Is that a barrier to Celtic generating more revenue? Absolutely.

It is also just simple logic that a larger capacity means you can put more tickets on sale in other areas of the stadium at prices that are much more accessible to fans, knowing that you are offsetting by generating higher yield from a bigger and better corporate area.

In our specific case, the cost of rebuilding the Main Stand would undoubtedly be substantial and the business case potentially prohibitive. Depends on whether they could prove further demand exists. But I am really not getting what is so wrong with the rationale behind the concept? :ponder: It is one used the world over in business models for sport stadia, and it's absolutely bonkers to say that Scotland is in some way different.

I say this as a "regular" season ticket holder and having been in the lounges about half a dozen times in my life, but the bottom line is for a so called top club, Celtic's hospitality offer is way behind some of their CL peers (being ahead in Scotland means nothing) and it likely prevents the club a better revenue stream.
I wasn't being entirely serious - but someone was complaining that it took them ages too get out of their seat and out of the stadium in the South Stand and compared that to the free movement (of people, pish, cans of lager etc.) in the old jungle. From reminiscing about that, to expanding the stadium so that there's more corporate seats tickled me.

Given that it's been mentioned, I'm sure the corporate dudes would "get first dibs on cup final/hearts/Aberdeen tickets" so it'll bring in income which is great. It'll potentially increase the number of normal punters that go to our home games, and then mean that even less of them get Cup Final tickets (both because there's more normal punters trying to get Cup Final tickets, and also more corporates at the front of the queue for them). That's also weird that these extra attendees at our home games might become a an illustration of, and a victim of the club's increased success.
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