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Celtic Park Improvements; What are the board planning
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Topic Started: 6 Dec 2016, 02:22 PM (323,136 Views)
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stevie21
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6 Jun 2017, 12:17 PM
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Any business only takes on a construction project like a stand rebuild - especially one on the scale of our Main Stand - if the financial model suggests it is viable and would pay for itself. It is possible to make the stadium all the same height (with a much more aesthetically pleasing Main Stand facade) without necessarily having to add 15,000 extra seats. There are plenty of examples, but a good one is the Main Stand at FC Basel's stadium. Most of the upper tier is taken up by two floors of boxes and other corporate facilities. If the club can prove that the market exists for increased premium seating (improvements to the area around the stadium and the proposed hotel and museum development suggests it could be) then it may be a driver at some point, but not before the former is built. People won't necessarily like the fatcat Tory angle, but revamping the Main Stand should be with an eye to adding considerably better corporate facilities that could have a vast impact on increasing our revenue. I remember reading about the change in matchday revenues when Arsenal moved from Highbury to the Emirates. It's obviously not a perfect comparison, because its London, the EPL and Arsenal's capacity increased by 22,000 overnight, but the difference in corporate revenue was massive. Any revamp should also be considered to improve the overall look of the stadium and improve the existing sightlines from the south corners and the Main Stand itself. Any increased capacity could also ensure an expansion of safe standing and the number of spaces, improved sightlines and facilities for disabled supporters. It could potentially lower or hold existing pricing like the German model for the cheapest seats. A 67,000 capacity has a nice ring to it.
Key thing to note is that such building projects can be depreciated over 20/40 years, so the annual impact is not great, how much would such a project cost £10m / £15m. The benefits in increased capacity, even if only realised 6-10 games per season pay for it alone ? In addition the revamp, giving team buses direct access under / into the stadium gets you an upgrade in UEFA license ! And agree the fron facade is dated. No way it'd be that cheap, and the team bus thing on its own doesn't give you this upgrade. Plus, even if we had the upgraded licence, what would we do with it? It's up to the SFA to choose a stadium for a Euro final and they're not going to choose Celtic Park over Hampden.
The stadium's fine as it is, especially as the surrounding area is no longer like a scene from tough mudder
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6 Jun 2017, 12:20 PM
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Used to love the main stand. Now it feels cramped with virtually no facilities compared to the rest of the stadium. I agree. It feels dated, cramped and access/egress to some seats can be a nightmare.
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6 Jun 2017, 12:28 PM
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Used to love the main stand. Now it feels cramped with virtually no facilities compared to the rest of the stadium.
I agree. It feels dated, cramped and access/egress to some seats can be a nightmare. The worst aspect for me is the exiting after matches. I sit in the front row of the main upper. I'm about eight seats in. After a match, by the time I've exited my row and made it half way up the stairs with a good five minute wait till I get out, the other three stands are completely empty.
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6 Jun 2017, 01:42 PM
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Used to love the main stand. Now it feels cramped with virtually no facilities compared to the rest of the stadium.
I agree. It feels dated, cramped and access/egress to some seats can be a nightmare.
The worst aspect for me is the exiting after matches. I sit in the front row of the main upper. I'm about eight seats in. After a match, by the time I've exited my row and made it half way up the stairs with a good five minute wait till I get out, the other three stands are completely empty.
Front row you say?
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Forza
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6 Jun 2017, 01:51 PM
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Any business only takes on a construction project like a stand rebuild - especially one on the scale of our Main Stand - if the financial model suggests it is viable and would pay for itself. It is possible to make the stadium all the same height (with a much more aesthetically pleasing Main Stand facade) without necessarily having to add 15,000 extra seats. There are plenty of examples, but a good one is the Main Stand at FC Basel's stadium. Most of the upper tier is taken up by two floors of boxes and other corporate facilities. If the club can prove that the market exists for increased premium seating (improvements to the area around the stadium and the proposed hotel and museum development suggests it could be) then it may be a driver at some point, but not before the former is built. People won't necessarily like the fatcat Tory angle, but revamping the Main Stand should be with an eye to adding considerably better corporate facilities that could have a vast impact on increasing our revenue. I remember reading about the change in matchday revenues when Arsenal moved from Highbury to the Emirates. It's obviously not a perfect comparison, because its London, the EPL and Arsenal's capacity increased by 22,000 overnight, but the difference in corporate revenue was massive. Any revamp should also be considered to improve the overall look of the stadium and improve the existing sightlines from the south corners and the Main Stand itself. Any increased capacity could also ensure an expansion of safe standing and the number of spaces, improved sightlines and facilities for disabled supporters. It could potentially lower or hold existing pricing like the German model for the cheapest seats. A 67,000 capacity has a nice ring to it.
Like a potential increase in capacity, is there enough high-end corporate hospitality demand outwith the huns and European games? I have no numbers but am sceptical. Now if Hampden was scrapped it would make a cracking venue for Scotland games and cup finals. Cant see the SFA doing that though. Spurs new stadium will take their corporate experience up at least another notch from the Emirates. They don't have more fans than Arsenal but they'll undoubtedly create more revenue from it come 2018/19.
It's as much about having the infrastructure in place for when it is needed: it's as much about what the additional yield is per client/person, as it is additional number of new corporate spaces. So it's less about trying to ensure 95% occupancy for games against Kilmarnock, and ensuring the rate paid for a massively improved Main Stand experience is incoming for the games it will be in demand for: CL or EL, Sevco and other important matches.
You can see now simply on this thread the number of folk who have season books for the main stand talk about how cramped it is, the lack of facilities and access/egress problems. This is the front door of Celtic Park, don't forget.
I'd argue that the facilities in there pale into insignificance to many other clubs we are likely attempting to compete with eventually at CL level: Basel, Benfica, Porto, Besiktas are only four good examples. Even look at the number of boxes etc at Borussia Park when we played there. No amount of lounge access in the North Stand is making up for the complete disadvantage we have in comparison. As I've said, these changes potentially also allow you to increase safe standing and improve/increase stadium access to disabled supporters. Any improved Main Stand may also stop North Stand season ticket holders being moved for CL sponsors.
If we don't keep going forward, we are by definition going backwards given what is going on elsewhere. It should undoubtedly be a long term ambition of the club to make viable structural changes to a stadium that has not had anything major done to its interior since 1998, aside from safe standing.
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6 Jun 2017, 03:30 PM
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Used to love the main stand. Now it feels cramped with virtually no facilities compared to the rest of the stadium.
I agree. It feels dated, cramped and access/egress to some seats can be a nightmare. Maybe I'm just getting old but I used to go to the jungle,standing in piss ,fights breaking out,bottles flying and getting crushed.The main stands luxury compared to what used to accept as part and parcel of going to football.
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6 Jun 2017, 03:35 PM
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Used to love the main stand. Now it feels cramped with virtually no facilities compared to the rest of the stadium.
I agree. It feels dated, cramped and access/egress to some seats can be a nightmare.
Maybe I'm just getting old but I used to go to the jungle,standing in piss ,fights breaking out,bottles flying and getting crushed.The main stands luxury compared to what used to accept as part and parcel of going to football. Aye but you wouldn't accept that nowadays and that's what they're saying about the Main stand. It's outdated.
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6 Jun 2017, 03:38 PM
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Used to love the main stand. Now it feels cramped with virtually no facilities compared to the rest of the stadium.
I agree. It feels dated, cramped and access/egress to some seats can be a nightmare.
Maybe I'm just getting old but I used to go to the jungle,standing in piss ,fights breaking out,bottles flying and getting crushed.The main stands luxury compared to what used to accept as part and parcel of going to football. I remember those days. It wasn't a matter of when you got out but if you got out
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6 Jun 2017, 03:50 PM
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Agree the facades awful.reminds me of a provincial office e park. With the Celtic way a facade that fits in could be beautiful.
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6 Jun 2017, 04:22 PM
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Celtic Park hotel & museum proposal makes planning
Holmes Miller have filed an application for planning in principle to erect a hotel, museum, shop and ticket office for Celtic Football Club.
Occupying 2.2 hectares of land to the south of London Road in the Clyde Gateway regeneration area the project will be oriented through 45 degrees from the corner of the site to the stadiums main entrance in order to allow pedestrian access and through views.
In a statement the architects said: “Our proposal seeks to offer a bold and contemporary design with an ordered and rational approach to the elevations. The scheme sits on the site of the existing shop and ticket office, which will both be integrated within the new design.
“The development also offers an opportunity for a museum for the Football Club as part of the overall design for a hotel with approximately 175-200 bedrooms incorporated.”
Rising to five storeys the sloped profile building is intended to help knit the stadium into the surrounding neighbourhood.
http://www.urbanrealm.com/news/6850/Celtic_Park_hotel_%26_museum_proposal_makes_planning.html
Planning documents here: https://publicaccess.glasgow.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=OQI9IVEXIPL00
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6 Jun 2017, 04:46 PM
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Maybe I'm just getting old but I used to go to the jungle,standing in piss ,fights breaking out,bottles flying and getting crushed.The main stands luxury compared to what used to accept as part and parcel of going to football.
Aye but you wouldn't accept that nowadays and that's what they're saying about the Main stand. It's outdated. That's true! It takes me all my energy to get up and do the huddle!
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6 Jun 2017, 05:00 PM
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Aye but you wouldn't accept that nowadays and that's what they're saying about the Main stand. It's outdated.
That's true! It takes me all my energy to get up and do the huddle! The days of wading through ankle deep piss are long gone mate.
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6 Jun 2017, 05:02 PM
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Hampden is in serious need of an upgrade. It's now too small to host the Champions League final (it's also a dump). The SFA lease is up around about the same time as the 2020 Euros. Once that's all done I wouldn't be surprised to see them abandon it, especially if Celtic are willing and able to upgrade Celtic Park.
Are we talking about the same SFA? Pensioning off Hampden and handing the revenue to Celtic? https://twitter.com/BBCchrismclaug/status/872118482158092288
According to this it's a possibility. Scotland games would be spread out and the biggest games would naturally be helf at the biggest and best stadium.
Celtic Park is in a unique position in that its the only big stadium that has an obvious scope for expansion so if a CL Final is ever to be played in Scotland it's the most likely candidate at this point.
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6 Jun 2017, 05:06 PM
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Are we talking about the same SFA? Pensioning off Hampden and handing the revenue to Celtic? https://twitter.com/BBCchrismclaug/status/872118482158092288According to this it's a possibility. Scotland games would be spread out and the biggest games would naturally be helf at the biggest and best stadium. Celtic Park is in a unique position in that its the only big stadium that has an obvious scope for expansion so if a CL Final is ever to be played in Scotland it's the most likely candidate at this point. That could just as easily be the SFA implying that Hampden isn't as important to them as it really is so that they can reduce the rates they pay for it when the lease expires in 2020
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Fecking time to do something with the main stand! The bogs are an absolute disgrace for the 21 st century Would also be good if we could get the press relocated to somewhere they deserve to be ! About half way down the Celtic Way works for this bear
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6 Jun 2017, 06:45 PM
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Agree the facades awful.reminds me of a provincial office e park. With the Celtic way a facade that fits in could be beautiful. And if a new facade is built some will scream that's awful while others will love it
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Any business only takes on a construction project like a stand rebuild - especially one on the scale of our Main Stand - if the financial model suggests it is viable and would pay for itself. It is possible to make the stadium all the same height (with a much more aesthetically pleasing Main Stand facade) without necessarily having to add 15,000 extra seats. There are plenty of examples, but a good one is the Main Stand at FC Basel's stadium. Most of the upper tier is taken up by two floors of boxes and other corporate facilities. If the club can prove that the market exists for increased premium seating (improvements to the area around the stadium and the proposed hotel and museum development suggests it could be) then it may be a driver at some point, but not before the former is built. People won't necessarily like the fatcat Tory angle, but revamping the Main Stand should be with an eye to adding considerably better corporate facilities that could have a vast impact on increasing our revenue. I remember reading about the change in matchday revenues when Arsenal moved from Highbury to the Emirates. It's obviously not a perfect comparison, because its London, the EPL and Arsenal's capacity increased by 22,000 overnight, but the difference in corporate revenue was massive. Any revamp should also be considered to improve the overall look of the stadium and improve the existing sightlines from the south corners and the Main Stand itself. Any increased capacity could also ensure an expansion of safe standing and the number of spaces, improved sightlines and facilities for disabled supporters. It could potentially lower or hold existing pricing like the German model for the cheapest seats. A 67,000 capacity has a nice ring to it. I quoted some figures before for Arsenal... They had capacity for around 320 corporate at Highbury, now 6,000. Their Highbury match day take went from £31 million to over £100 million.
Fergus knew that corporate was where to make the money.... Ibrox has corporate seating for less than 500, we can do thousands. Forget 20% more seats overall, stadium enterprises at Celtic was nearly double what that shampoo hole ever achieved in Govan.
67k at Celtic Park just fits..... Makes you feel warm and fuzzy. We need the stand redone and I think £30 million seems reasonable, given over half that will be spent on facilities and not seats. The sheep are getting a 22k stadium and training complex with 4 pitches and full facilities for £40 million.
C'mon board, make it happen! That kind of investment from a position of strength will give us a structural superiority that will last decades.
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6 Jun 2017, 06:53 PM
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I love the facade, but I was 90s kid and it reminds me of Di Canio, Cadete, Pierre and Rudi Vata.
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I echo the sentiments about increasing the capacity to 67k. We'd struggle to fill 75k even for the bigger games of the season.
Something like what Monchengladbach have done in that photo would be my choice. I.e. Bring the main stand in line with the rest of the stadium whilst packing a load of corporate, media and executive lounges/areas into the actual area the main stand sits within. It would improve the atmosphere and looks of the ground, give us a half chance of hosting a European final and the exposure that would bring, and more importantly, it would surely pay for itself in the long run.
No idea what the costs would be or whether they're even close to being viable mind, but I'd be delighted to see the main stand revamped. And while they were at it, they could also give us a shiny, new, Bayern style facade on the whole stadium to hide the aging supports.
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6 Jun 2017, 07:20 PM
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Any business only takes on a construction project like a stand rebuild - especially one on the scale of our Main Stand - if the financial model suggests it is viable and would pay for itself. It is possible to make the stadium all the same height (with a much more aesthetically pleasing Main Stand facade) without necessarily having to add 15,000 extra seats. There are plenty of examples, but a good one is the Main Stand at FC Basel's stadium. Most of the upper tier is taken up by two floors of boxes and other corporate facilities. If the club can prove that the market exists for increased premium seating (improvements to the area around the stadium and the proposed hotel and museum development suggests it could be) then it may be a driver at some point, but not before the former is built. People won't necessarily like the fatcat Tory angle, but revamping the Main Stand should be with an eye to adding considerably better corporate facilities that could have a vast impact on increasing our revenue. I remember reading about the change in matchday revenues when Arsenal moved from Highbury to the Emirates. It's obviously not a perfect comparison, because its London, the EPL and Arsenal's capacity increased by 22,000 overnight, but the difference in corporate revenue was massive. Any revamp should also be considered to improve the overall look of the stadium and improve the existing sightlines from the south corners and the Main Stand itself. Any increased capacity could also ensure an expansion of safe standing and the number of spaces, improved sightlines and facilities for disabled supporters. It could potentially lower or hold existing pricing like the German model for the cheapest seats. A 67,000 capacity has a nice ring to it.
Like a potential increase in capacity, is there enough high-end corporate hospitality demand outwith the huns and European games? I have no numbers but am sceptical. Now if Hampden was scrapped it would make a cracking venue for Scotland games and cup finals. Cant see the SFA doing that though.
Spurs new stadium will take their corporate experience up at least another notch from the Emirates. They don't have more fans than Arsenal but they'll undoubtedly create more revenue from it come 2018/19. It's as much about having the infrastructure in place for when it is needed: it's as much about what the additional yield is per client/person, as it is additional number of new corporate spaces. So it's less about trying to ensure 95% occupancy for games against Kilmarnock, and ensuring the rate paid for a massively improved Main Stand experience is incoming for the games it will be in demand for: CL or EL, Sevco and other important matches. You can see now simply on this thread the number of folk who have season books for the main stand talk about how cramped it is, the lack of facilities and access/egress problems. This is the front door of Celtic Park, don't forget. I'd argue that the facilities in there pale into insignificance to many other clubs we are likely attempting to compete with eventually at CL level: Basel, Benfica, Porto, Besiktas are only four good examples. Even look at the number of boxes etc at Borussia Park when we played there. No amount of lounge access in the North Stand is making up for the complete disadvantage we have in comparison. As I've said, these changes potentially also allow you to increase safe standing and improve/increase stadium access to disabled supporters. Any improved Main Stand may also stop North Stand season ticket holders being moved for CL sponsors. If we don't keep going forward, we are by definition going backwards given what is going on elsewhere. It should undoubtedly be a long term ambition of the club to make viable structural changes to a stadium that has not had anything major done to its interior since 1998, aside from safe standing. Spurs are installing a craft brewery, a bakery and a cheese making thing.
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