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Celtic Park Improvements; What are the board planning
Topic Started: 6 Dec 2016, 02:22 PM (323,137 Views)
Peco
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5 Jun 2017, 09:16 PM
I don't understand the love for the Main stand facade. It has always struck me a bizarre-looking.
I was up at Celtic Park yesterday, showing around some guests from London. I totally agree; it's a pretty hideous 1980s facade. The cardboard cutout cups above the stand cheapen it as well.

Given how well they've done with the Celtic Way, a revamped main stand would be brilliant.
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I see little need to be increasing it to 75,000. An extra 15,000 seats that bring with it areas that need to be staffed and maintained. It may be worth it for CL nights, but imagine some league and league cup games. An extra few thousand for corporate maybe, but 15,000 seems too much unless as some suggest the board are aware of changes in the next few years. Would we not also be obliged to contribute to transport links to and from the stadium if we were increasing by such an amount?
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Peco
5 Jun 2017, 10:05 PM
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5 Jun 2017, 09:16 PM
I don't understand the love for the Main stand facade. It has always struck me a bizarre-looking.
I was up at Celtic Park yesterday, showing around some guests from London. I totally agree; it's a pretty hideous 1980s facade. The cardboard cutout cups above the stand cheapen it as well.

Given how well they've done with the Celtic Way, a revamped main stand would be brilliant.
I can't stand it.

We've made a good job of polishing it up, but it is still pretty dated.

Like a Laing homes build from the 80s.
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I don't think we need to massively increase the capacity but if they made the South stand bigger they could add another safe standing section with 2 seats for every person that stands. That way if the capacity went up to 65,000 for domestic games it'll actually be 70,000 for Champions League games.
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No matter what, it will always be Parkheid :rocker:



EDIT: Thanks to Moravcik :thumbsup: who's on here.

One of the best vids i've seen with a great soundtrack.

' WE ARE CELTIC ' :worthy:
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Is the main stand not listed anyway?
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5 Jun 2017, 11:46 PM
Is the main stand not listed anyway?
:lol:
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5 Jun 2017, 11:46 PM
Is the main stand not listed anyway?
:rules:

Nae need to increase capacity. The revamp should be happening at corporate level and in any particular facilities which will improve the playing staff's experience.
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5 Jun 2017, 10:18 PM
I don't think we need to massively increase the capacity but if they made the South stand bigger they could add another safe standing section with 2 seats for every person that stands. That way if the capacity went up to 65,000 for domestic games it'll actually be 70,000 for Champions League games.
:ponder:

There's a thought.
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5 Jun 2017, 10:57 PM
No matter what, it will always be Parkheid :rocker:



EDIT: Thanks to Moravcik :thumbsup: who's on here.

One of the best vids i've seen with a great soundtrack.

' WE ARE CELTIC ' :worthy:
It has never been Parkhead! ;)

Fantastic video. :worthy:
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Any business only takes on a construction project like a stand rebuild - especially one on the scale of our Main Stand - if the financial model suggests it is viable and would pay for itself.

It is possible to make the stadium all the same height (with a much more aesthetically pleasing Main Stand facade) without necessarily having to add 15,000 extra seats. There are plenty of examples, but a good one is the Main Stand at FC Basel's stadium. Most of the upper tier is taken up by two floors of boxes and other corporate facilities. If the club can prove that the market exists for increased premium seating (improvements to the area around the stadium and the proposed hotel and museum development suggests it could be) then it may be a driver at some point, but not before the former is built.

People won't necessarily like the fatcat Tory angle, but revamping the Main Stand should be with an eye to adding considerably better corporate facilities that could have a vast impact on increasing our revenue. I remember reading about the change in matchday revenues when Arsenal moved from Highbury to the Emirates. It's obviously not a perfect comparison, because its London, the EPL and Arsenal's capacity increased by 22,000 overnight, but the difference in corporate revenue was massive.

Any revamp should also be considered to improve the overall look of the stadium and improve the existing sightlines from the south corners and the Main Stand itself. Any increased capacity could also ensure an expansion of safe standing and the number of spaces, improved sightlines and facilities for disabled supporters. It could potentially lower or hold existing pricing like the German model for the cheapest seats.

A 67,000 capacity has a nice ring to it. ;)

Edited by Forza, 6 Jun 2017, 10:30 AM.
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Forza
6 Jun 2017, 10:29 AM
Any business only takes on a construction project like a stand rebuild - especially one on the scale of our Main Stand - if the financial model suggests it is viable and would pay for itself.

It is possible to make the stadium all the same height (with a much more aesthetically pleasing Main Stand facade) without necessarily having to add 15,000 extra seats. There are plenty of examples, but a good one is the Main Stand at FC Basel's stadium. Most of the upper tier is taken up by two floors of boxes and other corporate facilities. If the club can prove that the market exists for increased premium seating (improvements to the area around the stadium and the proposed hotel and museum development suggests it could be) then it may be a driver at some point, but not before the former is built.

People won't necessarily like the fatcat Tory angle, but revamping the Main Stand should be with an eye to adding considerably better corporate facilities that could have a vast impact on increasing our revenue. I remember reading about the change in matchday revenues when Arsenal moved from Highbury to the Emirates. It's obviously not a perfect comparison, because its London, the EPL and Arsenal's capacity increased by 22,000 overnight, but the difference in corporate revenue was massive.

Any revamp should also be considered to improve the overall look of the stadium and improve the existing sightlines from the south corners and the Main Stand itself. Any increased capacity could also ensure an expansion of safe standing and the number of spaces, improved sightlines and facilities for disabled supporters. It could potentially lower or hold existing pricing like the German model for the cheapest seats.

A 67,000 capacity has a nice ring to it. ;)

Like a potential increase in capacity, is there enough high-end corporate hospitality demand outwith the huns and European games? I have no numbers but am sceptical.

Now if Hampden was scrapped it would make a cracking venue for Scotland games and cup finals. Cant see the SFA doing that though.
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6 Jun 2017, 10:52 AM
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6 Jun 2017, 10:29 AM
Any business only takes on a construction project like a stand rebuild - especially one on the scale of our Main Stand - if the financial model suggests it is viable and would pay for itself.

It is possible to make the stadium all the same height (with a much more aesthetically pleasing Main Stand facade) without necessarily having to add 15,000 extra seats. There are plenty of examples, but a good one is the Main Stand at FC Basel's stadium. Most of the upper tier is taken up by two floors of boxes and other corporate facilities. If the club can prove that the market exists for increased premium seating (improvements to the area around the stadium and the proposed hotel and museum development suggests it could be) then it may be a driver at some point, but not before the former is built.

People won't necessarily like the fatcat Tory angle, but revamping the Main Stand should be with an eye to adding considerably better corporate facilities that could have a vast impact on increasing our revenue. I remember reading about the change in matchday revenues when Arsenal moved from Highbury to the Emirates. It's obviously not a perfect comparison, because its London, the EPL and Arsenal's capacity increased by 22,000 overnight, but the difference in corporate revenue was massive.

Any revamp should also be considered to improve the overall look of the stadium and improve the existing sightlines from the south corners and the Main Stand itself. Any increased capacity could also ensure an expansion of safe standing and the number of spaces, improved sightlines and facilities for disabled supporters. It could potentially lower or hold existing pricing like the German model for the cheapest seats.

A 67,000 capacity has a nice ring to it. ;)

Like a potential increase in capacity, is there enough high-end corporate hospitality demand outwith the huns and European games? I have no numbers but am sceptical.

Now if Hampden was scrapped it would make a cracking venue for Scotland games and cup finals. Cant see the SFA doing that though.
Hampden is in serious need of an upgrade. It's now too small to host the Champions League final (it's also a dump). The SFA lease is up around about the same time as the 2020 Euros. Once that's all done I wouldn't be surprised to see them abandon it, especially if Celtic are willing and able to upgrade Celtic Park.
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6 Jun 2017, 10:55 AM
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6 Jun 2017, 10:52 AM
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6 Jun 2017, 10:29 AM
Any business only takes on a construction project like a stand rebuild - especially one on the scale of our Main Stand - if the financial model suggests it is viable and would pay for itself.

It is possible to make the stadium all the same height (with a much more aesthetically pleasing Main Stand facade) without necessarily having to add 15,000 extra seats. There are plenty of examples, but a good one is the Main Stand at FC Basel's stadium. Most of the upper tier is taken up by two floors of boxes and other corporate facilities. If the club can prove that the market exists for increased premium seating (improvements to the area around the stadium and the proposed hotel and museum development suggests it could be) then it may be a driver at some point, but not before the former is built.

People won't necessarily like the fatcat Tory angle, but revamping the Main Stand should be with an eye to adding considerably better corporate facilities that could have a vast impact on increasing our revenue. I remember reading about the change in matchday revenues when Arsenal moved from Highbury to the Emirates. It's obviously not a perfect comparison, because its London, the EPL and Arsenal's capacity increased by 22,000 overnight, but the difference in corporate revenue was massive.

Any revamp should also be considered to improve the overall look of the stadium and improve the existing sightlines from the south corners and the Main Stand itself. Any increased capacity could also ensure an expansion of safe standing and the number of spaces, improved sightlines and facilities for disabled supporters. It could potentially lower or hold existing pricing like the German model for the cheapest seats.

A 67,000 capacity has a nice ring to it. ;)

Like a potential increase in capacity, is there enough high-end corporate hospitality demand outwith the huns and European games? I have no numbers but am sceptical.

Now if Hampden was scrapped it would make a cracking venue for Scotland games and cup finals. Cant see the SFA doing that though.
Hampden is in serious need of an upgrade. It's now too small to host the Champions League final (it's also a dump). The SFA lease is up around about the same time as the 2020 Euros. Once that's all done I wouldn't be surprised to see them abandon it, especially if Celtic are willing and able to upgrade Celtic Park.
That would be a big boost for us financially.
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Hampden is in serious need of an upgrade. It's now too small to host the Champions League final (it's also a dump). The SFA lease is up around about the same time as the 2020 Euros. Once that's all done I wouldn't be surprised to see them abandon it, especially if Celtic are willing and able to upgrade Celtic Park.
That would be a big boost for us financially.
It would. Don't get me wrong I'm not entirely sure the SFA would want to abandon Hampden but the money simply isn't there to add an extra 20,000 seats.
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5 Jun 2017, 10:18 PM
I don't think we need to massively increase the capacity but if they made the South stand bigger they could add another safe standing section with 2 seats for every person that stands. That way if the capacity went up to 65,000 for domestic games it'll actually be 70,000 for Champions League games.
Is it not the other way around? That, if anything, there's 2 people standing for every 1 person sitting - and also that we probably only got the go ahead for our safe standing section if we promised it didn't increase the capacity and one standing space was one seat?
I know Bayern Munich's and Dortmund's capacity is greater for domestic games than it is with CL games.

Also, if we do increase the capacity, it'll put more of a burden on an already poor public transport service.
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Mickeybhoy84
6 Jun 2017, 10:55 AM
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Any business only takes on a construction project like a stand rebuild - especially one on the scale of our Main Stand - if the financial model suggests it is viable and would pay for itself.

It is possible to make the stadium all the same height (with a much more aesthetically pleasing Main Stand facade) without necessarily having to add 15,000 extra seats. There are plenty of examples, but a good one is the Main Stand at FC Basel's stadium. Most of the upper tier is taken up by two floors of boxes and other corporate facilities. If the club can prove that the market exists for increased premium seating (improvements to the area around the stadium and the proposed hotel and museum development suggests it could be) then it may be a driver at some point, but not before the former is built.

People won't necessarily like the fatcat Tory angle, but revamping the Main Stand should be with an eye to adding considerably better corporate facilities that could have a vast impact on increasing our revenue. I remember reading about the change in matchday revenues when Arsenal moved from Highbury to the Emirates. It's obviously not a perfect comparison, because its London, the EPL and Arsenal's capacity increased by 22,000 overnight, but the difference in corporate revenue was massive.

Any revamp should also be considered to improve the overall look of the stadium and improve the existing sightlines from the south corners and the Main Stand itself. Any increased capacity could also ensure an expansion of safe standing and the number of spaces, improved sightlines and facilities for disabled supporters. It could potentially lower or hold existing pricing like the German model for the cheapest seats.

A 67,000 capacity has a nice ring to it. ;)

Like a potential increase in capacity, is there enough high-end corporate hospitality demand outwith the huns and European games? I have no numbers but am sceptical.

Now if Hampden was scrapped it would make a cracking venue for Scotland games and cup finals. Cant see the SFA doing that though.
Hampden is in serious need of an upgrade. It's now too small to host the Champions League final (it's also a dump). The SFA lease is up around about the same time as the 2020 Euros. Once that's all done I wouldn't be surprised to see them abandon it, especially if Celtic are willing and able to upgrade Celtic Park.
Are we talking about the same SFA?
Pensioning off Hampden and handing the revenue to Celtic?
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Any business only takes on a construction project like a stand rebuild - especially one on the scale of our Main Stand - if the financial model suggests it is viable and would pay for itself.

It is possible to make the stadium all the same height (with a much more aesthetically pleasing Main Stand facade) without necessarily having to add 15,000 extra seats. There are plenty of examples, but a good one is the Main Stand at FC Basel's stadium. Most of the upper tier is taken up by two floors of boxes and other corporate facilities. If the club can prove that the market exists for increased premium seating (improvements to the area around the stadium and the proposed hotel and museum development suggests it could be) then it may be a driver at some point, but not before the former is built.

People won't necessarily like the fatcat Tory angle, but revamping the Main Stand should be with an eye to adding considerably better corporate facilities that could have a vast impact on increasing our revenue. I remember reading about the change in matchday revenues when Arsenal moved from Highbury to the Emirates. It's obviously not a perfect comparison, because its London, the EPL and Arsenal's capacity increased by 22,000 overnight, but the difference in corporate revenue was massive.

Any revamp should also be considered to improve the overall look of the stadium and improve the existing sightlines from the south corners and the Main Stand itself. Any increased capacity could also ensure an expansion of safe standing and the number of spaces, improved sightlines and facilities for disabled supporters. It could potentially lower or hold existing pricing like the German model for the cheapest seats.

A 67,000 capacity has a nice ring to it. ;)

Key thing to note is that such building projects can be depreciated over 20/40 years, so the annual impact is not great, how much would such a project cost £10m / £15m.

The benefits in increased capacity, even if only realised 6-10 games per season pay for it alone ?

In addition the revamp, giving team buses direct access under / into the stadium gets you an upgrade in UEFA license !

And agree the fron facade is dated.

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They don't need to put all that many more seats in.

Sorting out the roof of the southside of the stadium, and removing those giant pillars would eliminate quite a few restricted views, making those seats more valuable and more attractive to ST buyers.

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Used to love the main stand. Now it feels cramped with virtually no facilities compared to the rest of the stadium.
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