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Celtic Park Improvements; What are the board planning
Topic Started: 6 Dec 2016, 02:22 PM (323,152 Views)
Ally Les Verts
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Larbertbhoy
18 Jan 2017, 08:43 PM
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18 Jan 2017, 08:28 PM
janvoh
18 Jan 2017, 08:06 PM
think of the unemployment increase......... all those "watch yer motor mr" employees will be out of work
Hopefully this will force a good number of them to reconsider their life and perhaps apply for a place at university.
The ones that ask me are about 50 years old
Mature students. :thumbsup:
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18 Jan 2017, 09:24 PM
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18 Jan 2017, 07:50 AM
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18 Jan 2017, 01:01 AM

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All UEFA finals etc are allocated to a member association who then select which stadium will get the game. The SFA will always pick Hampden, even though it is profoundly gash. On the funny side remember we had Gerry McNee telling us, on every show for about 15 years, on Scotsport Extra Time that Ibrox was due to get a European final?
Btw is Gerry McNee still alive not heard anything about him for years ??
Yep, holds court at Heraghty's.
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18 Jan 2017, 05:22 PM
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18 Jan 2017, 05:05 PM

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It doesn't have to exaxtly be underground. Old Trafford and the new main stand at anfield feature an area at the side of the stand that allows busses to drive in and drop players off inside to give them access to the changing rooms.

On the subject of main stand renovation I do agree that it would be a great idea moving forward. It doesn't mean in increase in seats but better facilities inside and we could see Celtic park being an elite stadium.
I reckon this is what we should be looking at doing. There is little point increasing capacity in the near to medium future (if ever), but renovating the main stand, upgrading facilities and adding attractions such as a museum should be under consideration imo.
Yeah, I don't see the point in increasing capacity for all of the reasons above but making the stadium more of an 'attraction' will increase the revenue the club takes in on a day to day basis as opposed to once a fortnight. Plus, in the 50th anniversary of the Lions no less, it'd be more fitting than ever to have a museum to flaunt the Big Cup in all its glory. :potm:

Maybe have it next to a list of teams from Glasgow who'll never have it either :naught:
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Could the South stand not be made into a Hoverstand??
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18 Jan 2017, 08:43 PM
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18 Jan 2017, 05:22 PM
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18 Jan 2017, 05:05 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
It doesn't have to exaxtly be underground. Old Trafford and the new main stand at anfield feature an area at the side of the stand that allows busses to drive in and drop players off inside to give them access to the changing rooms.

On the subject of main stand renovation I do agree that it would be a great idea moving forward. It doesn't mean in increase in seats but better facilities inside and we could see Celtic park being an elite stadium.
I reckon this is what we should be looking at doing. There is little point increasing capacity in the near to medium future (if ever), but renovating the main stand, upgrading facilities and adding attractions such as a museum should be under consideration imo.
:thumbsup:

I genuinely don't see any attraction in holding a CL or EL final at Celtic Park, unless we're playing in it of course.

Upgrade the existing facilities, add a museum (we must be one of the few clubs of similar history and stature not to have a museum?) and more Kerrydale Lounge type places where supporters can congregate before matches while giving a bit more dosh to the club.

Also, it's not an improvement to Celtic Park obviously but I'd have no problem with the club spending a few quid on a full-size indoor pitch at Lennoxtown. That was one thing it was hard to argue with Ronny Deila about.
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Money permitting, would be great to see:

Main stand roof raised in line with remainder of stand. Doesn't necessarily follow that capacity has to increase whilst doing this.
The Madrid-style heaters. That would be bootiful.
Sort the outside of the stadium. A munich-style wrap around, but green and white would look immense. Museum incorporated into new stand.
And cherry on the top? Move the exec seats in North stand over to redeveloped main stand. Whole lower north converted to safe-standing, bringing back the Jungle.

He who dares, Rodney!
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19 Jan 2017, 09:31 AM
Money permitting, would be great to see:

Main stand roof raised in line with remainder of stand. Doesn't necessarily follow that capacity has to increase whilst doing this.
The Madrid-style heaters. That would be bootiful.
Sort the outside of the stadium. A munich-style wrap around, but green and white would look immense. Museum incorporated into new stand.
And cherry on the top? Move the exec seats in North stand over to redeveloped main stand. Whole lower north converted to safe-standing, bringing back the Jungle.

He who dares, Rodney!
Apart from the cost implications, I always thought that the main argument against raising the roof of the main stand to be in line with the other three stands was that less sunlight would get onto the pitch? If we can do it without compromising the quality of the playing surface then fine, but if the groundsmen object to it then I'd rather keep it the height it is.

I can definitely see us putting in a new safe-standing area at some point in the next couple of years, sadly I doubt we'll ever see a return to the Jungle but maybe one in the corner of the North & Jock Stein stands?

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19 Jan 2017, 09:47 AM
Balham_Tic
19 Jan 2017, 09:31 AM
Money permitting, would be great to see:

Main stand roof raised in line with remainder of stand. Doesn't necessarily follow that capacity has to increase whilst doing this.
The Madrid-style heaters. That would be bootiful.
Sort the outside of the stadium. A munich-style wrap around, but green and white would look immense. Museum incorporated into new stand.
And cherry on the top? Move the exec seats in North stand over to redeveloped main stand. Whole lower north converted to safe-standing, bringing back the Jungle.

He who dares, Rodney!
Apart from the cost implications, I always thought that the main argument against raising the roof of the main stand to be in line with the other three stands was that less sunlight would get onto the pitch? If we can do it without compromising the quality of the playing surface then fine, but if the groundsmen object to it then I'd rather keep it the height it is.

I can definitely see us putting in a new safe-standing area at some point in the next couple of years, sadly I doubt we'll ever see a return to the Jungle but maybe one in the corner of the North & Jock Stein stands?

That area has only recently been developed with a wheelchair friendly viewing platform at the back if I'm not wrong :ponder:

Personally, I'd move the exec seats at the back of the JSL and make that all safe standing, there isn't that many exec seats left there compared to what it used to be
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19 Jan 2017, 10:49 AM
SaMule
19 Jan 2017, 09:47 AM
Balham_Tic
19 Jan 2017, 09:31 AM
Money permitting, would be great to see:

Main stand roof raised in line with remainder of stand. Doesn't necessarily follow that capacity has to increase whilst doing this.
The Madrid-style heaters. That would be bootiful.
Sort the outside of the stadium. A munich-style wrap around, but green and white would look immense. Museum incorporated into new stand.
And cherry on the top? Move the exec seats in North stand over to redeveloped main stand. Whole lower north converted to safe-standing, bringing back the Jungle.

He who dares, Rodney!
Apart from the cost implications, I always thought that the main argument against raising the roof of the main stand to be in line with the other three stands was that less sunlight would get onto the pitch? If we can do it without compromising the quality of the playing surface then fine, but if the groundsmen object to it then I'd rather keep it the height it is.

I can definitely see us putting in a new safe-standing area at some point in the next couple of years, sadly I doubt we'll ever see a return to the Jungle but maybe one in the corner of the North & Jock Stein stands?

That area has only recently been developed with a wheelchair friendly viewing platform at the back if I'm not wrong :ponder:

Personally, I'd move the exec seats at the back of the JSL and make that all safe standing, there isn't that many exec seats left there compared to what it used to be
Aren't those exec seats connected to the number 7 restaurant? I always assumed that they were and that you could get a posh seat and a meal as part of a matchday package, but it's not something I've ever been interested enough in to check so I could be completely wrong on that count :lol:
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19 Jan 2017, 09:19 AM
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18 Jan 2017, 08:43 PM
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18 Jan 2017, 05:22 PM

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I reckon this is what we should be looking at doing. There is little point increasing capacity in the near to medium future (if ever), but renovating the main stand, upgrading facilities and adding attractions such as a museum should be under consideration imo.
:thumbsup:

I genuinely don't see any attraction in holding a CL or EL final at Celtic Park, unless we're playing in it of course.

Upgrade the existing facilities, add a museum (we must be one of the few clubs of similar history and stature not to have a museum?) and more Kerrydale Lounge type places where supporters can congregate before matches while giving a bit more dosh to the club.

Also, it's not an improvement to Celtic Park obviously but I'd have no problem with the club spending a few quid on a full-size indoor pitch at Lennoxtown. That was one thing it was hard to argue with Ronny Deila about.
If I remember correctly the fact that Lennoxtown did not have a full-size indoor pitch was kept 'secret' from TB at the time and he exploded when he found out.

I didn't know RD had similar complaints but I agree we should most definitely have a full-size indoor pitch at Lennoxtown.

Would also love to see more safe-standing in the North Stand, anything that brought back more memories of the Jungle works for me. The South Stand could def do with being expanded even if it results in only a modest increase in capacity, better facilities for staff and fans would go down well.

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Eventually, it would be good to give the Main Stand a facelift and give the stadium a finished look. The biggest clubs are in the process of making their stadiums an icon in its own right, as a place that is synonymous with the club which draws people in by itself regardless of matchdays.

If nothing else, it would improve the sightlines in the south corners caused by the massive stanchions holding up the roof and the undercarriage of the roof itself.

The business case does not seem strong enough to justify the additional cost at this point and it's unclear whether it will for a good few years.

As has been said, raising the Main Stand to the same level does not necessarily mean a big increase in seating. Many clubs have more boxes and corporate facilities on the Main Stand side. These facilities are sometimes built with non-matchday in mind, to grab a bigger share of the events market, and to host a much improved museum and tour experience.

Eventually to keep pace I think the club will need to move towards that, because non-matchday is a major area of growth among other clubs with history similar to Celtic.

As has been said, I don't anticipate it being easy, or cheap.
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I like the main stand as it is, wee throwback to yesteryear.

New huns die crowds go down so would be a waste of time in the long run anyway.
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19 Jan 2017, 11:41 AM
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ghirl86
18 Jan 2017, 08:43 PM

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:thumbsup:

I genuinely don't see any attraction in holding a CL or EL final at Celtic Park, unless we're playing in it of course.

Upgrade the existing facilities, add a museum (we must be one of the few clubs of similar history and stature not to have a museum?) and more Kerrydale Lounge type places where supporters can congregate before matches while giving a bit more dosh to the club.

Also, it's not an improvement to Celtic Park obviously but I'd have no problem with the club spending a few quid on a full-size indoor pitch at Lennoxtown. That was one thing it was hard to argue with Ronny Deila about.
If I remember correctly the fact that Lennoxtown did not have a full-size indoor pitch was kept 'secret' from TB at the time and he exploded when he found out.

I didn't know RD had similar complaints but I agree we should most definitely have a full-size indoor pitch at Lennoxtown.

Would also love to see more safe-standing in the North Stand, anything that brought back more memories of the Jungle works for me. The South Stand could def do with being expanded even if it results in only a modest increase in capacity, better facilities for staff and fans would go down well.

When Lennoxtown was built there were plans drawn up for 3 seperate phases. I think the financial crisis in 2008 led to the club reducing the scale of the plans and it's never been fully revisited since.
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18 Jan 2017, 10:21 PM
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Btw is Gerry McNee still alive not heard anything about him for years ??
Yep, holds court at Heraghty's.
Cheers :thumbsup:
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18 Jan 2017, 08:12 PM

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Hampden has underground access.
Do opposition teams get piped to the front door there, naw! Celtic Park is the elite of the elite when it comes to welcoming opposition teams, especially Barca. :wub:
Love Celtic..like Barca (first strip I got back in 83/84 as a child - along with Tic top) before they became massive superstar team but that was cringey- last visit....full bagpipes etc all the way up to the door!

Thought Pope Francis had dropped by rather than an opposition team for Champions League. Club were a mile oot with that one.
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18 Jan 2017, 05:02 PM

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There isn't a requirement to have underground access, and as far as I've read both Hampden and Ibrox are Elite :ponder:
I done the Hampden tour in April last year . The tour guide told us Hampden was the only Elite football stadium in Scotland and about the " underground" drop off for the coaches.
Every website that lists Elite stadiums lists Ibrox, and as far as I can gather, this is the requirements document.

I'm not even sure that this is unambiguously termed in the above doc, but there could be an argument that players must be able to travel securely from their bus to the changing rooms etc. and if Ibrox has a gated area that the bus can get into that fans can't then that might be seen to satisfy that "requirement" - whether that area is underground or not. I cannae even see that requirement though - all I see is "The stadium must guarantee direct, private and secure access for both teams and the referees from their dressing rooms to the playing area and ensure their safe arrival at/departure from the stadium." So by implication we should take "safe arrival" to also require "direct, private and secure" which in turn is satisfied by a non-underground gated area. :ponder: :ponder:
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So what does our stadium need to host a European final for example?
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So what does our stadium need to host a European final for example?
Bigger area to do doping testing, secure area for the buses, bigger away dressing room (reportedly). All the stuff we crave on a daily basis.

We'd never get a final anyway - it's up to the SFA to choose a stadium and they'd choose Hampden every time. Platini has also said that he wants stadiums of around 70K capacity used but that won't be a hard & fast rule.


I had originally opened with "Bigger doping area" but this isnae Russia :lol:
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https://www.wired.com/2015/11/the-future-of-stadiums-might-be-no-stadium-at-all/

Pop up stadiums have been talked about a lot in the American media today with some NFL teams moving cities. Basically tax payers are finally refusing to pay for new stadiums and they need to make cheap alternatives.

Pop up stadiums seem to be an alternative to this and can have facilities etc put in at a fraction of the price of a full stadium. Their's talk the Chargers may be doing this to part of LA Galaxy's stadium next year while they play there for a season or two.

If it ever becomes fashionable and takes off, especially in European football, I wonder if Celtic would ever look into it for the South stand. Essentially make the stand as big or small as need depending on demand. Talking way way into the future though.
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Eventually, it would be good to give the Main Stand a facelift and give the stadium a finished look. The biggest clubs are in the process of making their stadiums an icon in its own right, as a place that is synonymous with the club which draws people in by itself regardless of matchdays.

If nothing else, it would improve the sightlines in the south corners caused by the massive stanchions holding up the roof and the undercarriage of the roof itself.

The business case does not seem strong enough to justify the additional cost at this point and it's unclear whether it will for a good few years.

As has been said, raising the Main Stand to the same level does not necessarily mean a big increase in seating. Many clubs have more boxes and corporate facilities on the Main Stand side. These facilities are sometimes built with non-matchday in mind, to grab a bigger share of the events market, and to host a much improved museum and tour experience.

Eventually to keep pace I think the club will need to move towards that, because non-matchday is a major area of growth among other clubs with history similar to Celtic.

As has been said, I don't anticipate it being easy, or cheap.
This is something i'd be eager to see happen at CP. This 50th celebration seems to have stirred more pride in a lot people's views which will hopefully lead to Parkhead getting investment to build up to that iconic status.
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